From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 13:11:37 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:11:37 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Fwd: A picture of how far the Wifidog
	project has advanced in the last two years
Message-ID: <eab19db50804021011m7a027453t9c164139073fc1d1@mail.gmail.com>

FYI, re: wifidog

Benoit includes a hat tip to WT's Rob Janes, Gabe Sawhney.. =)

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  1. A picture of how far the wifidog project has advanced     in the
     last two years (Benoit Gr?goire)


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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 01:20:29 -0400
From: Benoit Gr?goire <benoitg at coeus.ca>
Subject: [CWN-Summit] A picture of how far the wifidog project has
       advanced        in the last two years
To: wifidog at listes.ilesansfil.org, B?n?voles de ZAP Qu?bec
       <benevoles-zap at diffusion.zapquebec.org>,
       wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca,
       alliancecsf at diffusion.zapquebec.org,    "Ottawa-Gatineau WiFi"
       <ogwifi at list.flora.ca>, international at lists.funkfeuer.at,
       cwn-summit at lists.cuwireless.net, B?n?voles ISF
       <volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org>
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We often talk about unsung heroes;  individuals who toil quietly, content to
leave all the glory to the group or endeavour that they embraced.  But
sometimes, even the endeavour itself can be unsung and taken for granted.

Two recent events made me realize how little known the efforts (or even the
existence) of the multitude of wifidog contributors have become, even to
some
people right at the heart of the wireless community movement!  Some had even
built the perception that progress of the wifidog project as a whole slowed
after ?le sans fil (around march 2006) stopped maintaining it two years ago.

Those who know me in person know how much of a loud mouth I can be.  But I
also have a very low key working style.  I do stuff and don't brag about it
when I complete a task.  Quite frankly, I don't like braggers, and I am
always afraid of being branded as one.  Unfortunately, it seems I have
imprinted this style on the wifidog project, and that's not a good thing!

Today's Internet is a world of appearances, black and white opinions based
on
first impressions, soundbytes and short attention spans.  So in this world
demonstrating how lively the wifidog project really is just plain requires
bragging, soundbites and thanking every contributor individually (if
possible):

So here it goes.  All that follows occured ONLY in the last two years:

* 151 bug reports and feature requests were closed with status fixed!

* 34 new organisations have listed themselves on as using wifidog, bringing
the total from 15 to 49

* 17 individuals deserve our thanks for making code contributions:
-Max Horvath (max)
-Fran?ois Proulx (fproulx)
-Benoit Gr?goire (benoitg)
-Rob Janes
-Dana Spiegel (dana)
-Lokkju Brennr (lokkju)
-prospere
-Damien Raude-Morvan (drazzib)
-David Bird (david)
-Philippe April (papril)
-Alexandre Carmel Veilleux (acv)
-leandro
-tdb
-Josephus
-jguevara
-David Young
-dc.ml
-Medea
As it has been demonstrated over and over, in a software project with a full
lifecycle (including Open source) the majority of the required effort is not
coding!  And indeed we have quite a few more people to thank, whithout whom
the wifidog community as we know it simply couldn't exist:

* 13 translators maintained translations and brought the number of supported
languages from 3 to 10!
-Frederic Sheedy, French
-Fran?ois Proulx, French
-Benoit Gr?goire, French
-Frederic Sheedy, Franch
-MiguelCMA, Portugese
-Nikola Petrov (nvp_online), Bulgarian, Greek
-Gabriel Hahmann, Brazilian Portuguese
-Ricardo Jose Guevara Ochoa, Spanish
-Max Horvath, German
-leandro at texnet.it, Italian
-florida, Italian
-taedu AT ninjin-net DOT net, Japanese
-Christian Svensson, Swedish

* 51 Wiki editors (there are also many anonymous editors) improved our
documentation, our picture of our own community and humm ... our spelling.
-Robin Jones
-Benoit Gr?goire
-Alexandre Carmel Veilleux
-Philippe April
-Shyju Kanaprath
-Andrew Hodel
-bener
-risc
-Paul Scollon
-coolbeansdude51
-manuignatius
-Joe Bowser
-Mark Stephens
-wad
-flazcano
-wmaalouf
-Michael Lenczner
-Gilbert Fafard
-Florida
-taedoo
-disasm
-Pascal Leclerc
-paul
-simon
-gcrumb
-flazcano
-pk
-Gabriel Hahmann
-Max Horvath
-golden_rock
-Pascal Charest
-rnissley
-Gabe Shawney
-gregs
-Caleb Phillips
-cfd
-Benjamin
-masked
-Damien Raude-Morvan
-Pascal Rullier
-Mathias Houngbo
-ludo
-jguevara
-ifoude
-datamile
-mmemeteau
-Fran?ois Proulx
-matt
-sam
-ronit
-amccann

* All the people who took the time to open tickets and report bugs or
suggest
features in the first place.

* Thanks to everyone hanging on IRC.  At any given time there's about 10
individuals in the channel, which has become the primary way we help new
users and developers.

* Thanks to all the people answering questions on the mailing list, not to
mention the 234 people who care enough about wifidog to stay subscribed and
let us fill their mailbox on a regular basis.

* Thanks to ?le sans fil for providing Servers and bandwidth

* Finally, thanks to the following organisations who made financial
contributions (that I know of) to the development of wifidog:
-Obx Labs
-Less Networks
-ZAP Sheerbrooke
-Max Spot GBH

All of you in the last two years decided to go beyond merely using the work
of
others or fixing your immediate problem and have taken the time to give
back,
so others can in turn build upon your contributions.  It takes years to
build
a viable Open source development community around a project.  It's
especially
challenging in a very small niche like captive portals, where most of the
work is not visible to the end users.  But we have certainly have come a
very
long way!

There are great opportunities ahead for the community wireless movement, now
that the storm of Muni wireless (at least as a threath to community groups)
has blown over.  There are also great challenges, from increasingly hostile
legal environments, changes to the economic environment of procuring
Internet
bandwidth to the increasing variety of mobile devices.  Also, wifidog is
used
more and more by private corporations.

Finding good and lasting technical solutions to such real world problems,
and
implementing them using such a diversity of priorities and interest will
continue to require a great deal of foresight and diplomacy.

But we are not alone, and if we work together, it's not even that hard ;)

Keep up the good work, and give yourselves a pat in the back, you deserve
it.
There is no contribution too small, if only to remind the other contributors
that they are not alone.
--
Benoit Gr?goire
Technologies Coeus inc.


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From bock at step.polymtl.ca  Wed Apr  2 23:50:33 2008
From: bock at step.polymtl.ca (Benoit =?utf-8?q?Gr=C3=A9goire?=)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 23:50:33 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] A picture of how far the wifidog project
	has advanced in the last two years
Message-ID: <200804022350.34786.bock@step.polymtl.ca>

We often talk about unsung heroes;  individuals who toil quietly, content to 
leave all the glory to the group or endeavour that they embraced.  But 
sometimes, even the endeavour itself can be unsung and taken for granted.

Two recent events made me realize how little known the efforts (or even the 
existence) of the multitude of wifidog contributors have become, even to some 
people right at the heart of the wireless community movement!  Some had even 
built the perception that progress of the wifidog project as a whole slowed 
after ?le sans fil (around march 2006) stopped maintaining it two years ago.  

Those who know me in person know how much of a loud mouth I can be.  But I 
also have a very low key working style.  I do stuff and don't brag about it 
when I complete a task.  Quite frankly, I don't like braggers, and I am 
always afraid of being branded as one.  Unfortunately, it seems I have 
imprinted this style on the wifidog project, and that's not a good thing!

Today's Internet is a world of appearances, black and white opinions based on 
first impressions, soundbytes and short attention spans.  So in this world 
demonstrating how lively the wifidog project really is just plain requires 
bragging, soundbites and thanking every contributor individually (if 
possible):

So here it goes.  All that follows occured ONLY in the last two years:

* 151 bug reports and feature requests were closed with status fixed!

* 34 new organisations have listed themselves on as using wifidog, bringing 
the total from 15 to 49

* 17 individuals deserve our thanks for making code contributions:
-Max Horvath (max)
-Fran?ois Proulx (fproulx)
-Benoit Gr?goire (benoitg)
-Rob Janes
-Dana Spiegel (dana)
-Lokkju Brennr (lokkju)
-prospere
-Damien Raude-Morvan (drazzib)
-David Bird (david)
-Philippe April (papril)
-Alexandre Carmel Veilleux (acv)
-leandro
-tdb
-Josephus
-jguevara
-David Young
-dc.ml
-Medea
As it has been demonstrated over and over, in a software project with a full 
lifecycle (including Open source) the majority of the required effort is not 
coding!  And indeed we have quite a few more people to thank, whithout whom 
the wifidog community as we know it simply couldn't exist:

* 13 translators maintained translations and brought the number of supported 
languages from 3 to 10!
-Frederic Sheedy, French
-Fran?ois Proulx, French
-Benoit Gr?goire, French
-Frederic Sheedy, Franch
-MiguelCMA, Portugese
-Nikola Petrov (nvp_online), Bulgarian, Greek
-Gabriel Hahmann, Brazilian Portuguese
-Ricardo Jose Guevara Ochoa, Spanish
-Max Horvath, German
-leandro at texnet.it, Italian
-florida, Italian
-taedu AT ninjin-net DOT net, Japanese
-Christian Svensson, Swedish

* 51 Wiki editors (there are also many anonymous editors) improved our 
documentation, our picture of our own community and humm ... our spelling.
-Robin Jones
-Benoit Gr?goire
-Alexandre Carmel Veilleux
-Philippe April
-Shyju Kanaprath
-Andrew Hodel
-bener
-risc
-Paul Scollon
-coolbeansdude51
-manuignatius
-Joe Bowser
-Mark Stephens
-wad
-flazcano
-wmaalouf
-Michael Lenczner
-Gilbert Fafard
-Florida
-taedoo
-disasm
-Pascal Leclerc
-paul
-simon
-gcrumb
-flazcano
-pk
-Gabriel Hahmann
-Max Horvath
-golden_rock
-Pascal Charest
-rnissley
-Gabe Shawney
-gregs
-Caleb Phillips
-cfd
-Benjamin
-masked
-Damien Raude-Morvan
-Pascal Rullier
-Mathias Houngbo
-ludo
-jguevara
-ifoude
-datamile
-mmemeteau
-Fran?ois Proulx
-matt
-sam
-ronit
-amccann

* All the people who took the time to open tickets and report bugs or suggest 
features in the first place.

* Thanks to everyone hanging on IRC.  At any given time there's about 10 
individuals in the channel, which has become the primary way we help new 
users and developers.

* Thanks to all the people answering questions on the mailing list, not to 
mention the 234 people who care enough about wifidog to stay subscribed and 
let us fill their mailbox on a regular basis.

* Thanks to ?le sans fil for providing Servers and bandwidth

* Finally, thanks to the following organisations who made financial 
contributions (that I know of) to the development of wifidog:
-Obx Labs
-Less Networks
-ZAP Sheerbrooke
-Max Spot GBH

All of you in the last two years decided to go beyond merely using the work of 
others or fixing your immediate problem and have taken the time to give back, 
so others can in turn build upon your contributions.  It takes years to build 
a viable Open source development community around a project.  It's especially 
challenging in a very small niche like captive portals, where most of the 
work is not visible to the end users.  But we have certainly have come a very 
long way!

There are great opportunities ahead for the community wireless movement, now 
that the storm of Muni wireless (at least as a threath to community groups) 
has blown over.  There are also great challenges, from increasingly hostile 
legal environments, changes to the economic environment of procuring Internet 
bandwidth to the increasing variety of mobile devices.  Also, wifidog is used 
more and more by private corporations.  

Finding good and lasting technical solutions to such real world problems, and 
implementing them using such a diversity of priorities and interest will 
continue to require a great deal of foresight and diplomacy.

But we are not alone, and if we work together, it's not even that hard ;)
 
Keep up the good work, and give yourselves a pat in the back, you deserve it.  
There is no contribution too small, if only to remind the other contributors 
that they are not alone.
-- 
Benoit Gr?goire
Technologies Coeus inc.


From gabe at pwd.ca  Thu Apr  3 17:07:17 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:07:17 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Fwd: Montreal Gathering of Community
	Wireless Groups / Communaute sans fils Sommet 2008 - May 3 &
	4 Montreal
In-Reply-To: <bbde3c880804031311r1cb2f67bqb909c47eb124796b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbde3c880804031311r1cb2f67bqb909c47eb124796b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804031407g2e47ca1qde980253da026050@mail.gmail.com>

It'd be fun to go to this... anyone else want to go?

Gabe


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com>
Date: 2008/4/3
Subject: Montreal Gathering of Community Wireless Groups / Communaute
sans fils Sommet 2008 - May 3 & 4 Montreal
To: Ottawa-Gatineau WiFi <ogwifi at list.flora.ca>
Cc: Barbara Crow <bacrow at sympatico.ca>, Andrew Clement
<andrew.clement at utoronto.ca>, Amelia Bryne Potter
<ameliabpotter at gmail.com>, Neal McIntyre <neal.mcintyre at gmail.com>,
Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>, "Richard Lussier, ISF"
<richard.lussier at ilesansfil.org>, motomaster at pmvp.ca


Communaute Sans Fil in Quebec will be having another gathering in
Montreal on May 3rd.  Last Year ogWiFi inspired such a gathering and
it was really useful.  It will mostly be Quebec Groups and let me tell
you they have done amazing things these groups in the last year with
some really inspiring business models.  I simultaneously translated
(tagged teamed a bit with Michael L.) for the anglo crowd last year
and would be willing to do so again this year should any folks from
CWIRP or Wireless Toronto or Anglo speaking folks from Ottawa would
like to attend.

Might be nice for CWIRP to share their research and to see if there
are ways to further this work in collaboration with Quebec rural and
non main city groups.  Very interesting work.

Any one from ogWiFi want to go?

I pasted the outline of what they are looking for at this gathering
below.  I will gladly translate later for those who would like it.  If
no one requests it I won't!

Sat will be a review of all the groups while sunday will be a nice
brunch.  If billets are required the folks in MTL are very
accomodating, and there are also some wonderful hostels too. See
below:

 Subject: Re: [AllianceCSF] Sommet 2008
 To: Alliance des groupes sans-fil communautaires
        <alliancecsf at diffusion.zapquebec.org>
 Message-ID: <47F43412.5080708 at pmvp.ca>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 Bonjour ? tous,

 Nous avons r?ussi enfin ? placer une date sur cet ?v?nement que nous
 attendons tous.
 Il s'agit du samedi 3 mai 2008 de 9h ? 17h, et pour ceux que ?a
 int?resse, un brunch dimanche 4 mai 2008 vers 11h.

 Nous aimerions que chacun des organismes nous indiquent le nombre de
 participants qui seront pr?sents  afin que l'on puisse pr?voir les
 besoins logistiques.

 Voici plus de d?tails sur l'?v?nement.

 Tout d'abord, nous voudrions baser le programme sur le partage des
 bonnes pratiques. Six grands th?mes feront l'objet de pr?sentations de
 la part de chacun des organismes pr?sents.

 1- Organisation: structure, mod?le, membership, responsabilit?s des
 individus.

 2- B?n?volat et ressources: gestion, limites, animation, motivation.

 3. Buts et implications sociales et communautaires.

 4- Financement: mod?le d'affaire, partenariat, contributions.

 5- Technologie: op?rations, s?curit?, portail, r?seau.

 6- Le futur: projection, autres march?s et mod?les, mutation des
 technologies.

 Si vous voyez autre chose, n'h?sitez pas ? nous communiquer vos id?es.
 Au plaisir de vous revoir participer en grand nombre !!

 Merci

 Richard Lussier et Laurent Maisonnave


 Richard Lussier wrote:
 > Bonjour ? tous,
 >
 > Au printemps dernier, nous avons tous particip?s ? un ?v?nement qui
 > nous rassemblait autour d'une table pour discuter des projets de
 > chacun. Plusieurs ont concr?tis?s leurs r?ves durant cette ann?e, et
 > ils ont accompli des pas de g?ants. Cet ?v?nement a aussi permis de
 > cr?er un regroupement d'organismes qu'on a appel? Alliance CSF. Il
 > serait tr?s int?ressant de reprendre cet ?v?nement cette ann?e et
 > d'interroger tous ces groupes sur les moyens qu'ils ont pris pour
 > r?aliser leurs buts et de redonner vie ? cette Alliance. Je crois que
 > tous nous partageons sensiblement les m?mes buts, et le partage de ces
 > informations permettrait ? tous et chacun de croitre plus rapidement.
 > Cet ?v?nement pourrait aussi pr?parer la participation de notre
 > Alliance ? un ?v?nement international qui a lieu chaque ann?e,
 > organis? par CUWIN,  ( http://www.cuwin.net ) du Internationnal Summit
 > for Community Wireless Networks (CWN-Summit). Cette ann?e, ce sommet
 > aura lieu ? Washington D.C.  du 28 au 30 mai. ISF compte s'y rendre
 > avec le plus de participants possibles comme ? chaque ann?e.
 > Alors, avril - mai serait la p?riode ? laquelle nous pourrions nous
 > rencontrer... un week-end ?
 > Faites-moi part des dates qui vous conviendraient pour qu'on commence
 > ? organiser le tout.
 > Il y a aussi l'ordre des jours qu'il faut ?tablir, alors des id?es ?
 > ce propos ?
 > On pourrait aussi se donner un rendez-vous / conf?rence t?l?phonique
 > pour en discuter ensemble ?
 > N'oublions pas, l'alliance, c'est nous tous !!!
 >
 > Richard Lussier
 > ISF

-- 
Tracey P. Lauriault
Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre
Dept. of Geography and Environmental Studies
Carleton University
Ottawa (ON) Canada
tlauriau at gmail.com
 613-234-2805
https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault


From aneasyone at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 00:09:52 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 00:09:52 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Fwd: Montreal Gathering of Community
	Wireless Groups / Communaute sans fils Sommet 2008 - May 3 & 4
	Montreal
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780804031407g2e47ca1qde980253da026050@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbde3c880804031311r1cb2f67bqb909c47eb124796b@mail.gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804031407g2e47ca1qde980253da026050@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F9259DF-790F-448B-B0DF-8C786291A295@gmail.com>

I'd love to go if I'm still around town. sounds like a good reason to  
stay for another few days.

keep me posted on the details.

=j


On 3-Apr-08, at 5:07 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> It'd be fun to go to this... anyone else want to go?
>
> Gabe
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com>
> Date: 2008/4/3
> Subject: Montreal Gathering of Community Wireless Groups / Communaute
> sans fils Sommet 2008 - May 3 & 4 Montreal
> To: Ottawa-Gatineau WiFi <ogwifi at list.flora.ca>
> Cc: Barbara Crow <bacrow at sympatico.ca>, Andrew Clement
> <andrew.clement at utoronto.ca>, Amelia Bryne Potter
> <ameliabpotter at gmail.com>, Neal McIntyre <neal.mcintyre at gmail.com>,
> Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>, "Richard Lussier, ISF"
> <richard.lussier at ilesansfil.org>, motomaster at pmvp.ca
>
>
> Communaute Sans Fil in Quebec will be having another gathering in
> Montreal on May 3rd.  Last Year ogWiFi inspired such a gathering and
> it was really useful.  It will mostly be Quebec Groups and let me tell
> you they have done amazing things these groups in the last year with
> some really inspiring business models.  I simultaneously translated
> (tagged teamed a bit with Michael L.) for the anglo crowd last year
> and would be willing to do so again this year should any folks from
> CWIRP or Wireless Toronto or Anglo speaking folks from Ottawa would
> like to attend.
>
> Might be nice for CWIRP to share their research and to see if there
> are ways to further this work in collaboration with Quebec rural and
> non main city groups.  Very interesting work.
>
> Any one from ogWiFi want to go?
>
> I pasted the outline of what they are looking for at this gathering
> below.  I will gladly translate later for those who would like it.  If
> no one requests it I won't!
>
> Sat will be a review of all the groups while sunday will be a nice
> brunch.  If billets are required the folks in MTL are very
> accomodating, and there are also some wonderful hostels too. See
> below:
>
> Subject: Re: [AllianceCSF] Sommet 2008
> To: Alliance des groupes sans-fil communautaires
>        <alliancecsf at diffusion.zapquebec.org>
> Message-ID: <47F43412.5080708 at pmvp.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Bonjour ? tous,
>
> Nous avons r?ussi enfin ? placer une date sur cet ?v?nement que no 
> us
> attendons tous.
> Il s'agit du samedi 3 mai 2008 de 9h ? 17h, et pour ceux que ?a
> int?resse, un brunch dimanche 4 mai 2008 vers 11h.
>
> Nous aimerions que chacun des organismes nous indiquent le nombre de
> participants qui seront pr?sents  afin que l'on puisse pr?voir les
> besoins logistiques.
>
> Voici plus de d?tails sur l'?v?nement.
>
> Tout d'abord, nous voudrions baser le programme sur le partage des
> bonnes pratiques. Six grands th?mes feront l'objet de pr?sentations  
> de
> la part de chacun des organismes pr?sents.
>
> 1- Organisation: structure, mod?le, membership, responsabilit?s des
> individus.
>
> 2- B?n?volat et ressources: gestion, limites, animation, motivation.
>
> 3. Buts et implications sociales et communautaires.
>
> 4- Financement: mod?le d'affaire, partenariat, contributions.
>
> 5- Technologie: op?rations, s?curit?, portail, r?seau.
>
> 6- Le futur: projection, autres march?s et mod?les, mutation des
> technologies.
>
> Si vous voyez autre chose, n'h?sitez pas ? nous communiquer vos  
> id?es.
> Au plaisir de vous revoir participer en grand nombre !!
>
> Merci
>
> Richard Lussier et Laurent Maisonnave
>
>
> Richard Lussier wrote:
>> Bonjour ? tous,
>>
>> Au printemps dernier, nous avons tous particip?s ? un ?v?nement  
>> qui
>> nous rassemblait autour d'une table pour discuter des projets de
>> chacun. Plusieurs ont concr?tis?s leurs r?ves durant cette ann?e, 
>>  et
>> ils ont accompli des pas de g?ants. Cet ?v?nement a aussi permis 
>>  de
>> cr?er un regroupement d'organismes qu'on a appel? Alliance CSF. Il
>> serait tr?s int?ressant de reprendre cet ?v?nement cette ann?e 
>>  et
>> d'interroger tous ces groupes sur les moyens qu'ils ont pris pour
>> r?aliser leurs buts et de redonner vie ? cette Alliance. Je crois  
>> que
>> tous nous partageons sensiblement les m?mes buts, et le partage de 
>>  ces
>> informations permettrait ? tous et chacun de croitre plus rapideme 
>> nt.
>> Cet ?v?nement pourrait aussi pr?parer la participation de notre
>> Alliance ? un ?v?nement international qui a lieu chaque ann?e,
>> organis? par CUWIN,  ( http://www.cuwin.net ) du Internationnal Su 
>> mmit
>> for Community Wireless Networks (CWN-Summit). Cette ann?e, ce sommet
>> aura lieu ? Washington D.C.  du 28 au 30 mai. ISF compte s'y rendre
>> avec le plus de participants possibles comme ? chaque ann?e.
>> Alors, avril - mai serait la p?riode ? laquelle nous pourrions nous
>> rencontrer... un week-end ?
>> Faites-moi part des dates qui vous conviendraient pour qu'on commence
>> ? organiser le tout.
>> Il y a aussi l'ordre des jours qu'il faut ?tablir, alors des id?e 
>> s ?
>> ce propos ?
>> On pourrait aussi se donner un rendez-vous / conf?rence t?l?phoni 
>> que
>> pour en discuter ensemble ?
>> N'oublions pas, l'alliance, c'est nous tous !!!
>>
>> Richard Lussier
>> ISF
>
> -- 
> Tracey P. Lauriault
> Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre
> Dept. of Geography and Environmental Studies
> Carleton University
> Ottawa (ON) Canada
> tlauriau at gmail.com
> 613-234-2805
> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Sun Apr  6 11:07:59 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 00:07:59 +0900
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] APRIL 14: Spring Volunteer Meeting
Message-ID: <eab19db50804060807t2ff5fa6dl68edb7153636f8dd@mail.gmail.com>

Wake_Shake! APRIL 14 ? Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting



Monday April 14, 2008 - 6PM start

4th floor

Centre for Social Innovation <http://upcoming.yahoo.com/venue/5425/>

215 Spadina Avenue
Toronto, Ontario

*drinks very likely to follow!



We know you've been wondering where Toronto's favorite community wireless
group has been.  Well, we've been hibernating, like the rest of the city.  But
we're back and ready to shake things up again with some exciting new
projects and events.   These include a Wireless Toronto volunteer trip to
the International Summit for Community Wireless
Networks<http://wirelesssummit.org/>(ISCWN), Transit Pulse Portals, a
Spring Venue Sprint (May), and more!



So whether you're into surfing Googlemaps, tweaking iptables rulesets,
taking/posting pictures of found objects in Toronto, or maybe just ticked
off about the whole deal with Bell/Rogers throttling internet traffic and
want to do something about for-pay internet provision in Toronto, come and
join our conversation!  There's lots of different opportunities to get
involved, and new ideas are always welcome!



Can't make it to our April meeting?

Sign up for our mailing lists:
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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 10:22:00 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:22:00 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] NYT editorial - citywide wireless
	internet projects
Message-ID: <eab19db50804070722p642d02bdla7d03d24a8c37cd1@mail.gmail.com>

a nice editorial from the NYT last week.  replace "American" with
"Canadian", and "Earthlink" with "Toronto Hydro", and we have a comparable
 commentary that could be applied to our own city's situation.  Toronto
Hydro is sniffing around for buyers, looking for their own 'strategic change
in direction'...i.e. they're not turning a profit, so lofty rhetoric,
potential of its infrastructure, and promises bedamned?

*====================*

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/opinion/29sat4.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

March 29, 2008
Editorial
*Broadening Broadband*
**
The big problem in providing Internet service to rural America is often
called "the last mile" ? the difficulty in reaching the smallest communities
and farthest-flung houses and farms. In cities, that problem might be called
"the last block" ? the difficulty in reaching every neighborhood, no matter
how poor.

For a while, many American cities, caught up in a tide of technological and
fiscal optimism, promised to try to make Internet coverage available to all
by making it citywide, wireless and low-cost or even free.

That has proved to be harder than it seemed at first. EarthLink, an Internet
provider that was partnering with Philadelphia, has pulled out of a
much-heralded project there, and other service providers are rethinking
similar projects.

EarthLink is calling it a change in strategic direction. What that phrase
means, simply, is where's the profit? It is a reasonable question. But for
the people who have been left without Internet service as municipal wireless
plans have collapsed, there are no reasonable answers, only an
all-too-familiar barrier between them and the information age.

The neighborhoods that most need low-cost, public wireless service now find
themselves largely dependent on Internet access through public libraries.
This may not sound like a terrible thing, but have you seen what's happened
to the budgets ? and the operating hours ? of public libraries?

To cities and Internet providers, municipal Wi-Fi looked like an ideal
partnership. Philadelphia gave EarthLink free access to utility poles for
mounting wireless routers. EarthLink promised to build hot spots, offer
low-cost residential service and provide still lower-cost access for the
poorest customers.

The costs of building a network turned out to be higher than expected ? at a
time when prices for private Internet service were dropping. It also hurt,
in Philadelphia's case, that there was a major change at EarthLink, which
went from being an advocate of municipal Wi-Fi to a company determined to
cut costs.

Broadband service is no longer a luxury. It has become a basic part of the
infrastructure of education and democracy. EarthLink should fulfill the
commitments it made. Even in these tough economic times, cities should keep
pushing municipal Wi-Fi and looking for partners and plans that can make it
a reality.

-- 
hanna

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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 11:23:41 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:23:41 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] NYT editorial - citywide wireless
	internet projects
In-Reply-To: <eab19db50804070722p642d02bdla7d03d24a8c37cd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eab19db50804070722p642d02bdla7d03d24a8c37cd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E1C831B-BBC2-45DF-B965-D6138F880FBB@gmail.com>

let's do let's find replace and repost.

=j


On 7-Apr-08, at 10:22 AM, Hanna <cho.hanna at gmail.com> wrote:

> a nice editorial from the NYT last week.  replace "American" with  
> "Canadian", and "Earthlink" with "Toronto Hydro", and we have a  
> comparable  commentary that could be applied to our own city's  
> situation.  Toronto Hydro is sniffing around for buyers, looking for  
> their own 'strategic change in direction'...i.e. they're not turning  
> a profit, so lofty rhetoric, potential of its infrastructure, and  
> promises bedamned?
>
> ====================
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/opinion/29sat4.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
>
> March 29, 2008
> Editorial
> Broadening Broadband
>
> The big problem in providing Internet service to rural America is  
> often called "the last mile" ? the difficulty in reaching the smalle 
> st communities and farthest-flung houses and farms. In cities, that  
> problem might be called "the last block" ? the difficulty in reachin 
> g every neighborhood, no matter how poor.
>
> For a while, many American cities, caught up in a tide of  
> technological and fiscal optimism, promised to try to make Internet  
> coverage available to all by making it citywide, wireless and low- 
> cost or even free.
> That has proved to be harder than it seemed at first. EarthLink, an  
> Internet provider that was partnering with Philadelphia, has pulled  
> out of a much-heralded project there, and other service providers  
> are rethinking similar projects.
>
> EarthLink is calling it a change in strategic direction. What that  
> phrase means, simply, is where's the profit? It is a reasonable  
> question. But for the people who have been left without Internet  
> service as municipal wireless plans have collapsed, there are no  
> reasonable answers, only an all-too-familiar barrier between them  
> and the information age.
>
> The neighborhoods that most need low-cost, public wireless service  
> now find themselves largely dependent on Internet access through  
> public libraries. This may not sound like a terrible thing, but have  
> you seen what's happened to the budgets ? and the operating hours  
> ? of public libraries?
>
> To cities and Internet providers, municipal Wi-Fi looked like an  
> ideal partnership. Philadelphia gave EarthLink free access to  
> utility poles for mounting wireless routers. EarthLink promised to  
> build hot spots, offer low-cost residential service and provide  
> still lower-cost access for the poorest customers.
>
> The costs of building a network turned out to be higher than  
> expected ? at a time when prices for private Internet service were d 
> ropping. It also hurt, in Philadelphia's case, that there was a majo 
> r change at EarthLink, which went from being an advocate of municipa 
> l Wi-Fi to a company determined to cut costs.
>
> Broadband service is no longer a luxury. It has become a basic part  
> of the infrastructure of education and democracy. EarthLink should  
> fulfill the commitments it made. Even in these tough economic times,  
> cities should keep pushing municipal Wi-Fi and looking for partners  
> and plans that can make it a reality.
>
>
> -- 
> hanna
>
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Apr  8 11:43:08 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:43:08 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] open-mesh and open source
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804080843w4f9ed698m443170953db92214@mail.gmail.com>

There's an awesome intro to open-mesh on dailywireless.org:
http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/04/04/7624/

Also, a new direction for muni in Boston, and PersonalTelco's
community workshop in Porrtland.  All great, great stuff.

Gabe


From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 11:05:18 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:05:18 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
Message-ID: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>

interesting...SBUX (in the US, not sure about Canada) is set to offer free
wifi (2hrs) to its customers.

according to their new 'idea' blog <http://www.starbucks.com/blogs/>

> Back in February we announced that we're switching to AT&T as our Wi-Fi
> provider in our U.S. company-operated stores. As Brad Stevens mentioned in
> his post on March 24, we're thrilled to be rolling out two hours of
> complimentary Wi-Fi service for customers who have a registered Starbucks
> Card. It'll be simple to sign up. All you have to do is:
>
>    1. Register a Starbucks Card
>    2. Sign up for an AT&T Wi-Fi account (and limited ATT marketing)
>    3. Come to Starbucks and login
>
>  To keep your newly created Wi-Fi account "active" you'll need to make a
> purchase with your registered Starbucks Card or add additional funds to it
> within the prior 30 days of logging on. We feel that the complimentary two
> hours is a meaningful amount of time and a fantastic way to reward Starbucks
> Card holders.
>
> We have customers with a variety of needs?some want to come in and read,
> some want to chat with a friend and others want to use Wi-Fi. Starbucks
> means different things to different people and the two-hour limit helps
> balance the many needs of our customers so that everyone can enjoy spending
> time at Starbucks. This service will be available to all customers
> nationwide later this spring.
>

-- 
hanna

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From edward at enconsulting.ca  Wed Apr  9 11:10:37 2008
From: edward at enconsulting.ca (Edward Nixon, EN Consulting)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:10:37 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
In-Reply-To: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>

Ex-WT guy admits to paying for it!

Yes I do pay for it at Starbucks. Because I need it and downtown I find
increasingly that even open nodes are too weak or there's too much spill
over, and increasingly open nodes are locking up. So yes I do (and OneZone
is simply not an option and hey it's the same price). At least the Starbucks
Bell Hotspots work 99% of the time.

Of course free-to-the-end-user is the gold standard and like air
conditioning one day soon it will simply be something that is supplied.

Edward

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Hanna <cho.hanna at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> interesting...SBUX (in the US, not sure about Canada) is set to offer free
> wifi (2hrs) to its customers.
>
> according to their new 'idea' blog <http://www.starbucks.com/blogs/>
>
> > Back in February we announced that we're switching to AT&T as our Wi-Fi
> > provider in our U.S. company-operated stores. As Brad Stevens mentioned in
> > his post on March 24, we're thrilled to be rolling out two hours of
> > complimentary Wi-Fi service for customers who have a registered Starbucks
> > Card. It'll be simple to sign up. All you have to do is:
> >
> >    1. Register a Starbucks Card
> >    2. Sign up for an AT&T Wi-Fi account (and limited ATT marketing)
> >    3. Come to Starbucks and login
> >
> >  To keep your newly created Wi-Fi account "active" you'll need to make a
> > purchase with your registered Starbucks Card or add additional funds to it
> > within the prior 30 days of logging on. We feel that the complimentary two
> > hours is a meaningful amount of time and a fantastic way to reward Starbucks
> > Card holders.
> >
> > We have customers with a variety of needs?some want to come in and read,
> > some want to chat with a friend and others want to use Wi-Fi. Starbucks
> > means different things to different people and the two-hour limit helps
> > balance the many needs of our customers so that everyone can enjoy spending
> > time at Starbucks. This service will be available to all customers
> > nationwide later this spring.
> >
>
> --
> hanna
>
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://urban.blogs.com/seoul/
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>


-- 
Edward Nixon
EN Consulting
@ Centre for Social Innovation
215 Spadina Avenue, Suite 400
Toronto, ON M5T 2C7
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Wed Apr  9 11:20:43 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:20:43 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
In-Reply-To: <bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804090820j32668ee3xe2ee8000d59f8cf5@mail.gmail.com>

When I'm in a pinch, I pay for it too.


> Of course free-to-the-end-user is the gold standard and like air
> conditioning one day soon it will simply be something that is supplied.

Even if you're right (and I like your optimism!), the remaining questions are:
- who will it be supplied by?
- who will be paying for it?
- what will users be giving up in return?  ("free" often comes with a price)
- what restrictions will be in place, and what effect will this have
on the way that people use it?

Free-to-the-end-user can mean a lot of things...

Gabe


From aneasyone at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 11:41:55 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:41:55 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
In-Reply-To: <bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E68B584-96E2-4D40-B92F-ACDECC730639@gmail.com>

afaik SUX is under a contract with hotspot. my guess is they have  
little say in how its doled out. but that said, let's see if WT can  
expidite that process .  muhahaha.

=j


On 9-Apr-08, at 11:10 AM, "Edward Nixon, EN Consulting" <edward at enconsulting.ca 
 > wrote:

> Ex-WT guy admits to paying for it!
>
> Yes I do pay for it at Starbucks. Because I need it and downtown I  
> find increasingly that even open nodes are too weak or there's too  
> much spill over, and increasingly open nodes are locking up. So yes  
> I do (and OneZone is simply not an option and hey it's the same  
> price). At least the Starbucks Bell Hotspots work 99% of the time.
>
> Of course free-to-the-end-user is the gold standard and like air  
> conditioning one day soon it will simply be something that is  
> supplied.
>
> Edward
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Hanna <cho.hanna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> interesting...SBUX (in the US, not sure about Canada) is set to  
> offer free wifi (2hrs) to its customers.
>
> according to their new 'idea' blog
> Back in February we announced that we're switching to AT&T as our Wi- 
> Fi provider in our U.S. company-operated stores. As Brad Stevens  
> mentioned in his post on March 24, we're thrilled to be rolling out  
> two hours of complimentary Wi-Fi service for customers who have a  
> registered Starbucks Card. It'll be simple to sign up. All you have  
> to do is:
>
> Register a Starbucks Card
> Sign up for an AT&T Wi-Fi account (and limited ATT marketing)
> Come to Starbucks and login
> To keep your newly created Wi-Fi account "active" you'll need to  
> make a purchase with your registered Starbucks Card or add  
> additional funds to it within the prior 30 days of logging on. We  
> feel that the complimentary two hours is a meaningful amount of time  
> and a fantastic way to reward Starbucks Card holders.
>
> We have customers with a variety of needs?some want to come in and r 
> ead, some want to chat with a friend and others want to use Wi-Fi. S 
> tarbucks means different things to different people and the two-hour 
>  limit helps balance the many needs of our customers so that everyon 
> e can enjoy spending time at Starbucks. This service will be availab 
> le to all customers nationwide later this spring.
>
>
> -- 
> hanna
>
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://urban.blogs.com/seoul/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Edward Nixon
> EN Consulting
> @ Centre for Social Innovation
> 215 Spadina Aven
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
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From dory.kornfeld at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 13:02:36 2008
From: dory.kornfeld at gmail.com (dory kornfeld)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:02:36 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
In-Reply-To: <4E68B584-96E2-4D40-B92F-ACDECC730639@gmail.com>
References: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E68B584-96E2-4D40-B92F-ACDECC730639@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c70065a40804091002o1bdeff2m69153354570dd936@mail.gmail.com>

Have you all seen this cute little starbucks+wifi prank that improv
everwhere pulled?

http://improveverywhere.com/2008/02/25/mobile-desktop/

dory

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:41 AM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> afaik SUX is under a contract with hotspot. my guess is they have little say
> in how its doled out. but that said, let's see if WT can expidite that
> process .  muhahaha.
>
> =j
>
>
>
>
> On 9-Apr-08, at 11:10 AM, "Edward Nixon, EN Consulting"
> <edward at enconsulting.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Ex-WT guy admits to paying for it!
>
> Yes I do pay for it at Starbucks. Because I need it and downtown I find
> increasingly that even open nodes are too weak or there's too much spill
> over, and increasingly open nodes are locking up. So yes I do (and OneZone
> is simply not an option and hey it's the same price). At least the Starbucks
> Bell Hotspots work 99% of the time.
>
> Of course free-to-the-end-user is the gold standard and like air
> conditioning one day soon it will simply be something that is supplied.
>
> Edward
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Hanna <cho.hanna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > interesting...SBUX (in the US, not sure about Canada) is set to offer free
> wifi (2hrs) to its customers.
> >
> > according to their new 'idea' blog
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Back in February we announced that we're switching to AT&T as our Wi-Fi
> provider in our U.S. company-operated stores. As Brad Stevens mentioned in
> his post on March 24, we're thrilled to be rolling out two hours of
> complimentary Wi-Fi service for customers who have a registered Starbucks
> Card. It'll be simple to sign up. All you have to do is:
> > >
> > > Register a Starbucks Card
> > > Sign up for an AT&T Wi-Fi account (and limited ATT marketing)
> > > Come to Starbucks and login
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To keep your newly created Wi-Fi account "active" you'll need to make a
> purchase with your registered Starbucks Card or add additional funds to it
> within the prior 30 days of logging on. We feel that the complimentary two
> hours is a meaningful amount of time and a fantastic way to reward Starbucks
> Card holders.
> > >
> > > We have customers with a variety of needs?some want to come in and read,
> some want to chat with a friend and others want to use Wi-Fi. Starbucks
> means different things to different people and the two-hour limit helps
> balance the many needs of our customers so that everyone can enjoy spending
> time at Starbucks. This service will be available to all customers
> nationwide later this spring.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > hanna
> >
> > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> > http://urban.blogs.com/seoul/
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Edward Nixon
> EN Consulting
> @ Centre for Social Innovation
> 215 Spadina Aven
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
>  wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>  wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>


From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 12:26:01 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:26:01 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] re: free wifi@ SBUX/improv everywhere
Message-ID: <eab19db50804100926w789ae7c0tef13051156a4ed6d@mail.gmail.com>

hilarious.

i especially liked:



The most common reaction surprised us: people assumed that they were public
machines put there by Starbucks. As Agent Casey went to pick up his coffee
order, a man sat down at his computer.

Agent Casey had to repeat, "this is mine," several times before the guy
understood what he meant. He got up, and then proceeded to ask a nearby
woman if he could use her laptop.



=============

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:02:36 -0400
From: "dory kornfeld" <dory.kornfeld at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
Message-ID:
       <c70065a40804091002o1bdeff2m69153354570dd936 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252

Have you all seen this cute little starbucks+wifi prank that improv
everwhere pulled?

http://improveverywhere.com/2008/02/25/mobile-desktop/

dory

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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 17:48:43 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:48:43 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] SF BART transit to offer free WIFI
Message-ID: <eab19db50804101448g7948c128u9689218c057da6a9@mail.gmail.com>

another interesting development in the world of wifi...

it's not cheap though!  i can't imagine if it's worth it to commuters.  it
flogs the usual pitch about 'increased productivity' and convenience... but
really, who's going to videoconference on the commuter train?  personally, i
read and nap when i commute. =)

http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/847624.html

A Gold River startup company is on the verge of a breakthrough deal with the
BART system to provide lightning-fast Internet connections for thousands of
daily commuters.

Even while zipping along beneath San Francisco Bay.

*WiFi Rail Inc.* has been testing its system on various Bay Area Rapid
Transit routes for the past several months.

Users would pay about $30 per month (or $10.95 daily) to access the system,
which delivers data at a blazing 15 megabits per second ? about 10 times
faster than standard DSL.

By connecting seamlessly to Wi-Fi access points deployed along the track,
customers could even do video and audio conferencing ? something impossible
with existing Internet hook-ups via cellular, Lee says. Or consumers could
download an iTunes movie, he says, that "immediately starts playing, without
any hiccups."



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From gabe at pwd.ca  Fri Apr 11 15:03:10 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:03:10 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bisf-vol=5D_ZA?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?P_Qu=E9bec_re=E7oit_du_financement?=
In-Reply-To: <9e8cbed20804091401x5399cd81haea4d28bfbaa9b3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9e8cbed20804091401x5399cd81haea4d28bfbaa9b3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804111203y153b02dfw9d59d3203476c0ec@mail.gmail.com>

$170,000 for the deployment of 200 hotspots in Quebec City by the end of the
year... (up from 84 now).

They're not paying for connectivity: each venue must share their existing
net connection, and pay the $50 annual fee ($200 for institutions and large
public venues).  The money is just for operations... seed funding,
essentially, since once they hit 200 hotspots the network will be
financially self-sustaining.

The money came from 4 different sources.


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From: d drouet <drouetd at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Subject: [isf-vol] ZAP Qu?bec re?oit du financement
To: Volontaires Ile sans Fil <volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org>


Pour ceux qui ne l'aurait pas vu, j'inclus un lien vers l'article du Soleil:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080404/CPSOLEIL/80404201/5019/CPSOLEIL

Bravo ? nos confr?res et consoeurs de Qu?bec.

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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 12:02:56 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:02:56 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] volunteer meeting tonight - reminder
Message-ID: <eab19db50804140902o48b47eb2wede555e751cdffa7@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

just a quick reminder about tonight's volunteer meeting...

215 Spadina Ave.
1st Floor
Centre for Social Innovation
6 PM

if you can't make the meeting, drop by and say hello over post-meeting
drinks,
Embassy Bar (Kensington Market)
223 Augusta
*after 8pm.

-- 
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Mon Apr 14 15:09:27 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:09:27 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] $25 million over the next five years to
	"community wireless" in the US
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804141209g3beb0306t2219d7f3174d78b0@mail.gmail.com>

This press release doesn't give enough info for me to understand
what's going on, but it sounds like an interesting hybrid model.
-Gabe

----

http://www.fiercewireless.com/press-releases/national-knight-center-will-help-communities-provide-access-digital-town-square-their?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal

National Knight Center Will Help Communities Provide Access to the
Digital Town Square for Their Citizens


AKRON, Ohio ? A new national center here will help communities ensure
that their citizens can take advantage of social, civic and economic
opportunities by accessing the digital town square of the 21st
century.

 The project is funded by a first-year, $4.5 million grant from the
John S. and James L. Knight Foundation to OneCommunity, an acclaimed
expert in helping communities create sustainable universal access.
Knight has pledged up to $25 million over the next five years to
accelerate digital access projects in the 26 U.S. communities where
the Knight brothers owned newspapers.

 The nonprofit Knight Center of Digital Excellence will collect and
share international best practices online with communities everywhere.
It will provide on-the-ground aid to the Knight communities to develop
technology strategies and enable citizens to connect with each other
and the world. Knight's initiative includes a $10 million Digital
Opportunity fund offering challenge grants to Knight communities.

Akron is the national center's headquarters and the first community to
benefit from a grant: $625,000 for a wireless universal access
corridor that will leverage OneCommunity's regional fiber-optic
network. The corridor will cover eight to twelve square miles,
including downtown, and cost about $2.2 million to design and deploy.

OneCommunity will implement the corridor in a public-private
partnership. Akron Mayor Donald L. Plusquellic has signed a memorandum
of understanding with OneCommunity and will recommend that City
Council approve a five-year commitment of about $800,000 toward the
design, deployment, and operation of the network.

"Universal access will improve the quality of life, create new
economic opportunities for Akron's citizens, enhance health and
education, improve public safety, and drive economic development,"
said Plusquellic. "With this public-private partnership, the City of
Akron will serve as a role model for communities around the country.
We are proud to be the home of this national Center of Digital
Excellence and to be the first community to benefit from Knight's
commitment to universal access."

"More and more in a global economy we conduct our civic, business and
social activities online," said Paula Ellis, Knight Foundation's vice
president of strategic initiatives. "In every city and town it's
important to ensure that no one becomes a second-class citizen because
he or she does not have access. Enabling everybody to participate in
the digital age has the potential to transform communities."

The Knight Center will be staffed and operated by OneCommunity, a
nonprofit technology organization internationally recognized for its
leadership in deploying broadband infrastructure and applications.
OneCommunity President & CEO Scot Rourke was recently named
Intelligent Community Visionary of the Year for 2008 by the
Intelligent Community Forum (www.intelligentcommunity.org), a New
York-based think tank dedicated to studying economic growth in the
global broadband economy.

 "Our goal is to help ensure that communities develop effective
broadband and applications strategies that bring value to a community,
are widely adopted by all constituencies and are well positioned for
sustainability," says Rourke. "OneCommunity uses a unique,
collaborative approach that convenes key stakeholders from both the
public and private sectors ? including schools, libraries, hospitals,
universities, governments, and local technology companies."

 About Knight Foundation

The John S. and James L. Knight Foundation promotes excellence in
journalism worldwide and invests in the vitality of Akron and 25 other
U.S. communities. Knight Foundation focuses on ideas and projects that
create transformational change. To learn more, visit
www.knightfoundation.org.

 Knight Communities

 Aberdeen, S.D.; Akron, Ohio;, Biloxi, Miss.; Boulder, Colo.;
Bradenton, Fla.; Charlotte, N.C.; Columbia, S.C.; Columbus, Ga.;
Detroit, Mich.; Duluth, Minn.; Fort Wayne, Ind.; Gary, Ind; Grand
Forks, N.D, Lexington, Ky.; Long Beach, Calif.; Macon, Ga.; Miami,
Fla.; Milledgeville, Ga.; Myrtle Beach, S.C., Palm Beach County, Fla.;
Philadelphia, Pa.; San Jose, Calif.; St. Paul, Minn.; State College,
Pa.; Tallahassee, Fla.; and Wichita, Kan.

 About OneCommunity

OneCommunity is a nonprofit organization dedicated to fostering
economic and civic progress through the innovative and collaborative
application of information technologies. OneCommunity connects nearly
1,000 public and nonprofit institutions via its fiber-optic broadband
network ? one of the largest and fastest in the world ? and supports
21st-century programs in health care, education, government and
economic development. To learn more, please visit
www.onecommunity.org.


From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 15:45:06 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:45:06 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Wi-Fi + Public Transit
Message-ID: <eab19db50804151245m165428f4y6d08cb4702ce0410@mail.gmail.com>

interesting piece...

*Wi-Fi on public transport is suddenly
hot*<http://www.muniwireless.com/applications/public-access/2008/04/13/public-transport-wifi-suddenly-hot/>

http://www.muniwireless.com/applications/public-access/2008/04/13/public-transport-wifi-suddenly-hot/

Esme writes about the sudden interest in and around the provision of Wi-Fi
on buses in the UK and by transit authorities in Montreal, Massachusetts,
Chattanooga, Nevada, and Stockholm ? emphasizing that Wi-Fi isn't just for
the passengers but also for the transit authorities' operations and the
safety of the bus drivers.
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Wed Apr 16 14:24:15 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:24:15 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>

We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning experience.
Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really slow... we
haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the load
average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).

Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's also
MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have anything to do
with it.

If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!

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From Jon at Pounder.com  Wed Apr 16 14:50:07 2008
From: Jon at Pounder.com (Jon Pounder)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:50:07 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080416145007.3okgtskwf4gos0gw@webmail.relationalhost.com>

Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:

> We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning experience.
> Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really slow... we
> haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the load
> average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).
>
> Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's also
> MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have anything to do
> with it.
>
> If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!


make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.

if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop (windows)  
and connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine tune  
whatever you need on there.

also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and clean them out.

if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that which  
will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire there.


also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken, messages  
are addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive so  
replying if you have multiple email accounts is broken.


>
> Gabe
>





Jon Pounder




From janes.rob at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 15:39:10 2008
From: janes.rob at gmail.com (Rob Janes)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:39:10 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
In-Reply-To: <20080416145007.3okgtskwf4gos0gw@webmail.relationalhost.com>
References: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080416145007.3okgtskwf4gos0gw@webmail.relationalhost.com>
Message-ID: <83eac04d0804161239q2d0df524n579951296b779f73@mail.gmail.com>

what does top say?

do you want me to log on to the box?

-rob

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:

> Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
>
>  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning experience.
> > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really slow...
> > we
> > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the load
> > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).
> >
> > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's also
> > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have anything to
> > do
> > with it.
> >
> > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
> >
>
>
> make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
>
> if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop (windows) and
> connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine tune whatever
> you need on there.
>
> also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and clean them
> out.
>
> if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that which will
> force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire there.
>
>
> also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken, messages are
> addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive so replying if
> you have multiple email accounts is broken.
>
>
>
> > Gabe
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Jon Pounder
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Wed Apr 16 15:59:44 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:59:44 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
In-Reply-To: <83eac04d0804161239q2d0df524n579951296b779f73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080416145007.3okgtskwf4gos0gw@webmail.relationalhost.com>
	<83eac04d0804161239q2d0df524n579951296b779f73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804161259h6fae986al85af1fcde49c9073@mail.gmail.com>

Top seems to indicate that the problem is with apache and postgres, but I
don't know what the numbers mean.  I took Jon's suggestion and ran a VACUUM
ANALYZE again (I thought I'd done several times before), and it cooled it
down a bunch... now the load avg is between 4 and 5.  That still strikes me
as high, but it's a lot better.  I'll keep an eye on it in the next few
days.

The machine had 638 days uptime until I rebooted it today, trying to
troubleshoot this.  (The reboot didn't help.)

Gabe


On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:

> what does top say?
>
> do you want me to log on to the box?
>
> -rob
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:
>
> > Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
> >
> >  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning
> > > experience.
> > > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really slow...
> > > we
> > > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the load
> > > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).
> > >
> > > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's
> > > also
> > > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have anything
> > > to do
> > > with it.
> > >
> > > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
> > >
> >
> >
> > make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
> >
> > if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop (windows) and
> > connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine tune whatever
> > you need on there.
> >
> > also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and clean
> > them out.
> >
> > if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that which
> > will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire there.
> >
> >
> > also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken, messages are
> > addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive so replying if
> > you have multiple email accounts is broken.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Gabe
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jon Pounder
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
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From janes.rob at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 16:22:43 2008
From: janes.rob at gmail.com (Rob Janes)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:22:43 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780804161259h6fae986al85af1fcde49c9073@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080416145007.3okgtskwf4gos0gw@webmail.relationalhost.com>
	<83eac04d0804161239q2d0df524n579951296b779f73@mail.gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804161259h6fae986al85af1fcde49c9073@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83eac04d0804161322x593aac69m43eeab7b6ca461c1@mail.gmail.com>

did you do vacuumdb -full, or VACUUM FULL;  that frees up empty deleted
records.  it won't speed up queries, which may be the problem.  VACUUM FULL
and vacuumdb -full lock tables, so there will be an outage when you do
this.  best to do it early in the morning.

however, that apache is busy too suggests something akin to a dos.  check
the apache logs.

-rob

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> Top seems to indicate that the problem is with apache and postgres, but I
> don't know what the numbers mean.  I took Jon's suggestion and ran a VACUUM
> ANALYZE again (I thought I'd done several times before), and it cooled it
> down a bunch... now the load avg is between 4 and 5.  That still strikes me
> as high, but it's a lot better.  I'll keep an eye on it in the next few
> days.
>
> The machine had 638 days uptime until I rebooted it today, trying to
> troubleshoot this.  (The reboot didn't help.)
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > what does top say?
> >
> > do you want me to log on to the box?
> >
> > -rob
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
> > >
> > >  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning
> > > > experience.
> > > > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really
> > > > slow... we
> > > > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the
> > > > load
> > > > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).
> > > >
> > > > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's
> > > > also
> > > > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have
> > > > anything to do
> > > > with it.
> > > >
> > > > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
> > >
> > > if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop (windows)
> > > and connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine tune
> > > whatever you need on there.
> > >
> > > also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and clean
> > > them out.
> > >
> > > if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that which
> > > will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire there.
> > >
> > >
> > > also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken, messages
> > > are addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive so
> > > replying if you have multiple email accounts is broken.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gabe
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon Pounder
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > >
> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
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From Jon at Pounder.com  Wed Apr 16 16:38:07 2008
From: Jon at Pounder.com (Jon Pounder)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:38:07 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
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Quoting Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>:

> did you do vacuumdb -full, or VACUUM FULL;  that frees up empty deleted
> records.  it won't speed up queries, which may be the problem.  VACUUM FULL
> and vacuumdb -full lock tables, so there will be an outage when you do
> this.  best to do it early in the morning.

if there are tons dead rows it does speed things up significantly  
since the live rows fit into far less physical pages on disk so net  
result you reduced the disk reads needed to do a given amount of work.

make sure you have it on automatic though and then you don't have to  
remember to do it.

apache could also be showing busy depending how efficient the waits  
are on postgres in the particular postgres client driver you are  
using. apache and pg could also be competing for disk read bandwidth  
and both waiting on that when pg is doing something intense.

I kind of got into this group late so not sure what the auth server is  
actually using, but if its not a tried and tested system, its possible  
it needs some indexes to fix access speed on tables that started out  
small and now are huge.



>
> however, that apache is busy too suggests something akin to a dos.  check
> the apache logs.
>
> -rob
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
>> Top seems to indicate that the problem is with apache and postgres, but I
>> don't know what the numbers mean.  I took Jon's suggestion and ran a VACUUM
>> ANALYZE again (I thought I'd done several times before), and it cooled it
>> down a bunch... now the load avg is between 4 and 5.  That still strikes me
>> as high, but it's a lot better.  I'll keep an eye on it in the next few
>> days.
>>
>> The machine had 638 days uptime until I rebooted it today, trying to
>> troubleshoot this.  (The reboot didn't help.)
>>
>> Gabe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > what does top say?
>> >
>> > do you want me to log on to the box?
>> >
>> > -rob
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
>> > >
>> > >  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning
>> > > > experience.
>> > > > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really
>> > > > slow... we
>> > > > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the
>> > > > load
>> > > > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).
>> > > >
>> > > > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's
>> > > > also
>> > > > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have
>> > > > anything to do
>> > > > with it.
>> > > >
>> > > > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
>> > >
>> > > if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop (windows)
>> > > and connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine tune
>> > > whatever you need on there.
>> > >
>> > > also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and clean
>> > > them out.
>> > >
>> > > if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that which
>> > > will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire there.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken, messages
>> > > are addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive so
>> > > replying if you have multiple email accounts is broken.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Gabe
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Jon Pounder
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> > >
>> > >   
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> >
>> >   
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>> >
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>





Jon Pounder




From janes.rob at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 16:48:31 2008
From: janes.rob at gmail.com (Rob Janes)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:48:31 -0400
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the indexes should be setup already.  i don't think there's any tuning
needed there.  gabe will have followed the isf install script.

i'm thinking one of the nodes is sending too much heartbeat.  that's why i
suggested looking in the logs.

you could check the postgres logs.  postgres gets real busy when it flushes
it's logs, and it can bog down the machine.  it shouldn't be doing that very
often, it's a bursty thing.  gabe is saying the meter is pegged at 4 or so.
if postgres was busying up the system on it's own, due to a misconfiguration
or misbalancing of the database files and the log files, it would show low
load most of the time, then flipping over to some high number.

postgres can be set to log all sql that comes in.  in a more verbose mode it
could indicate what the problem is.

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:

> Quoting Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>:
>
>  did you do vacuumdb -full, or VACUUM FULL;  that frees up empty deleted
> > records.  it won't speed up queries, which may be the problem.  VACUUM
> > FULL
> > and vacuumdb -full lock tables, so there will be an outage when you do
> > this.  best to do it early in the morning.
> >
>
> if there are tons dead rows it does speed things up significantly since
> the live rows fit into far less physical pages on disk so net result you
> reduced the disk reads needed to do a given amount of work.
>
> make sure you have it on automatic though and then you don't have to
> remember to do it.
>
> apache could also be showing busy depending how efficient the waits are on
> postgres in the particular postgres client driver you are using. apache and
> pg could also be competing for disk read bandwidth and both waiting on that
> when pg is doing something intense.
>
> I kind of got into this group late so not sure what the auth server is
> actually using, but if its not a tried and tested system, its possible it
> needs some indexes to fix access speed on tables that started out small and
> now are huge.
>
>
>
>
>
> > however, that apache is busy too suggests something akin to a dos.
> >  check
> > the apache logs.
> >
> > -rob
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> >
> >  Top seems to indicate that the problem is with apache and postgres, but
> > > I
> > > don't know what the numbers mean.  I took Jon's suggestion and ran a
> > > VACUUM
> > > ANALYZE again (I thought I'd done several times before), and it cooled
> > > it
> > > down a bunch... now the load avg is between 4 and 5.  That still
> > > strikes me
> > > as high, but it's a lot better.  I'll keep an eye on it in the next
> > > few
> > > days.
> > >
> > > The machine had 638 days uptime until I rebooted it today, trying to
> > > troubleshoot this.  (The reboot didn't help.)
> > >
> > > Gabe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > what does top say?
> > > >
> > > > do you want me to log on to the box?
> > > >
> > > > -rob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
> > > > >
> > > > >  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning
> > > > > > experience.
> > > > > > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really
> > > > > > slow... we
> > > > > > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the
> > > > > > load
> > > > > > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and
> > > 12(!).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.
> > >  There's
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have
> > > > > > anything to do
> > > > > > with it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
> > > > >
> > > > > if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop
> > > (windows)
> > > > > and connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine
> > > tune
> > > > > whatever you need on there.
> > > > >
> > > > > also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and
> > > clean
> > > > > them out.
> > > > >
> > > > > if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that
> > > which
> > > > > will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire
> > > there.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken,
> > > messages
> > > > > are addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive
> > > so
> > > > > replying if you have multiple email accounts is broken.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gabe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon Pounder
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Jon Pounder
>
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From walkah at walkah.net  Wed Apr 16 17:54:38 2008
From: walkah at walkah.net (James Walker)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:54:38 -0400
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If apache is creating load - it might be the PHP execution - I'd  
recommend installing APC (a PHP opcode cache) to help alleviate any  
PHP overhead being incurred. I don't know the auth system well, but  
it's typically a big, easy win for PHP-based apps.

more info here : http://pecl.php.net/package/APC

Cheers,
j

On 16-Apr-08, at 4:48 PM, Rob Janes wrote:
> the indexes should be setup already.  i don't think there's any  
> tuning needed there.  gabe will have followed the isf install script.
>
> i'm thinking one of the nodes is sending too much heartbeat.  that's  
> why i suggested looking in the logs.
>
> you could check the postgres logs.  postgres gets real busy when it  
> flushes it's logs, and it can bog down the machine.  it shouldn't be  
> doing that very often, it's a bursty thing.  gabe is saying the  
> meter is pegged at 4 or so.  if postgres was busying up the system  
> on it's own, due to a misconfiguration or misbalancing of the  
> database files and the log files, it would show low load most of the  
> time, then flipping over to some high number.
>
> postgres can be set to log all sql that comes in.  in a more verbose  
> mode it could indicate what the problem is.
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:
> Quoting Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>:
>
> did you do vacuumdb -full, or VACUUM FULL;  that frees up empty  
> deleted
> records.  it won't speed up queries, which may be the problem.   
> VACUUM FULL
> and vacuumdb -full lock tables, so there will be an outage when you do
> this.  best to do it early in the morning.
>
> if there are tons dead rows it does speed things up significantly  
> since the live rows fit into far less physical pages on disk so net  
> result you reduced the disk reads needed to do a given amount of work.
>
> make sure you have it on automatic though and then you don't have to  
> remember to do it.
>
> apache could also be showing busy depending how efficient the waits  
> are on postgres in the particular postgres client driver you are  
> using. apache and pg could also be competing for disk read bandwidth  
> and both waiting on that when pg is doing something intense.
>
> I kind of got into this group late so not sure what the auth server  
> is actually using, but if its not a tried and tested system, its  
> possible it needs some indexes to fix access speed on tables that  
> started out small and now are huge.
>
>
>
>
>
> however, that apache is busy too suggests something akin to a dos.   
> check
> the apache logs.
>
> -rob
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
> Top seems to indicate that the problem is with apache and postgres,  
> but I
> don't know what the numbers mean.  I took Jon's suggestion and ran a  
> VACUUM
> ANALYZE again (I thought I'd done several times before), and it  
> cooled it
> down a bunch... now the load avg is between 4 and 5.  That still  
> strikes me
> as high, but it's a lot better.  I'll keep an eye on it in the next  
> few
> days.
>
> The machine had 638 days uptime until I rebooted it today, trying to
> troubleshoot this.  (The reboot didn't help.)
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
> > what does top say?
> >
> > do you want me to log on to the box?
> >
> > -rob
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com>  
> wrote:
> >
> > > Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
> > >
> > >  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning
> > > > experience.
> > > > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really
> > > > slow... we
> > > > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the
> > > > load
> > > > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and  
> 12(!).
> > > >
> > > > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.   
> There's
> > > > also
> > > > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have
> > > > anything to do
> > > > with it.
> > > >
> > > > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
> > >
> > > if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop  
> (windows)
> > > and connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine  
> tune
> > > whatever you need on there.
> > >
> > > also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and  
> clean
> > > them out.
> > >
> > > if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that  
> which
> > > will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire  
> there.
> > >
> > >
> > > also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken,  
> messages
> > > are addressed to the list rather than the person when they  
> arrive so
> > > replying if you have multiple email accounts is broken.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gabe
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon Pounder
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > >
> > >  http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > >
> >
> >
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> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
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> >
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
> Jon Pounder
>
>
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 10:58:53 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:58:53 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
Message-ID: <0C193B70-30E4-4792-8437-13176CAA1D4F@gmail.com>

anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .  
sunday?

=j



From nkovats at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 11:51:29 2008
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:51:29 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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What do you have in mind, J?

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:

> anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
> sunday?
>
> =j
>
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 13:09:52 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:09:52 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying  
around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few  
open meshes and test the following Sunday instead.


=j


On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:

> What do you have in mind, J?
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .  
> sunday?
>
> =j
>
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From janes.rob at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 13:16:49 2008
From: janes.rob at gmail.com (Rob Janes)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:16:49 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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i wanted to give batman a try

https://www.open-mesh.net/batman


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:

> testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying around.
> does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open meshes and
> test the following Sunday instead.
>
>
> =j
>
> On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What do you have in mind, J?
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
> > sunday?
> >
> > =j
> >
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From nkovats at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 13:57:07 2008
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:57:07 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Mesh, mesh and more meshing about.
Message-ID: <7b6a82ad0804181057h16279135rd199ad0e19081515@mail.gmail.com>

One single radio + antenna per Meraki if used as a single default gateway
(e.g. internet) will have a hard time "servicing" multiple  simultaneous
requests from multiple single radio Meraki nodes.

I second a test of the batman routing protocol but with multiple radio
boxes, e.g. openwrt/batman w/ 2-3 radios per embedded Linux box, i.e.

1. Each node would utilize two radios dedicated to lets say a backhaul 802.a
5.0 GHZ link (directional antennas)  +  one 802.n or 802.g radio servicing
local wireless clients with a mimo or omnidirectional antenna.

But the first backhaul radio could aim at the default gateway whilst the
second backhaul radio could aim at the next mesh node. They could be daisy
chained repeatedly without the crappy throughput dropping by 1/2  in the
more common WDS "meshes" that now exist.

2. Multiple Internet gateways could be utilized in this type of mesh and the
batman routing protocol will intelligently route a clients request to it's
nearest "default" internet gateway. With minimal overhead. The masses could
really  start "sharing" their multiple gateway connections.

3. You could potentially  "aggregate" the multiple internet gateway to
increase throughput in parts of your mesh.

4. Keep in mind spectrum, bandwidth, throughput are precious as they exist
in the reality of community mesh. You could intelligently and
"democratically" allocate bandwidth per application with simple traffic
engineering as opposed to the Evil Rogers Methodology of deep packet
inspection and throttling back your apps according to their corporate
agenda.

5. People tend to imagine mesh with movement of the wireless nodes. That is
very difficult to do in terms of seamless handoffs. The military is very
interested in a true mobile mesh but it would amazing for the WT wireless
mobile nodes knapsack idea.

6. A more practical approach are fixed wireless mesh nodes as per the above
description.

Let 'er rip..

NK

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:

> testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying around.
> does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open meshes and
> test the following Sunday instead.
>
>
> =j
>
> On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What do you have in mind, J?
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
> > sunday?
> >
> > =j
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Fri Apr 18 14:15:12 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:15:12 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.

It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and see what
they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)  If you
want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If you're
going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document everything you
do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>

Gabe


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:

> i wanted to give batman a try
>
> https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying
> > around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open
> > meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> >
> >
> > =j
> >
> > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What do you have in mind, J?
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
> > > sunday?
> > >
> > > =j
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
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From nkovats at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 14:24:21 2008
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:24:21 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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Hi Gabe.

Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin (which is
a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual test of the
robin mesh capabilities.

Can the density of Merakis be increased?

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
> miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
> Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
>
> It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and see
> what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)  If
> you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
> you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
> everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > i wanted to give batman a try
> >
> > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying
> > > around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open
> > > meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > >
> > >
> > > =j
> > >
> > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
> > > > sunday?
> > > >
> > > > =j
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Fri Apr 18 14:28:10 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:28:10 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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The density of nodes can be increased if someone increases the density of
cash in my wallet.

3 nodes is adequate for the use cases which we discussed at the volunteer
meeting this week.  Let's start somewhere, eh?

Gabe


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Gabe.
>
> Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin (which
> is a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual test of
> the robin mesh capabilities.
>
> Can the density of Merakis be increased?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
> > I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
> > miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
> > Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
> >
> > It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and see
> > what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)  If
> > you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
> > you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
> > everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > i wanted to give batman a try
> > >
> > > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying
> > > > around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open
> > > > meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =j
> > > >
> > > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend
> > > > > . sunday?
> > > > >
> > > > > =j
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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From nkovats at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 14:37:12 2008
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:37:12 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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Point taken.

How much is each node?

So your initial intention is to just establish, stabilize and wirelessly
link the  Robin/Meraki boxes?

If so all I am saying is that there is no real routing to speak of, i.e.

Node 1 = default gateway. Packet A from the internet hits the gateway and
has two routing choices Node 2 or Node 3 one hop away?

Or a slight variation, i.e. Node 1 --> Node 2 --> Node 3 ?

Regards,

NK

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> The density of nodes can be increased if someone increases the density of
> cash in my wallet.
>
> 3 nodes is adequate for the use cases which we discussed at the volunteer
> meeting this week.  Let's start somewhere, eh?
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Gabe.
> >
> > Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin (which
> > is a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual test of
> > the robin mesh capabilities.
> >
> > Can the density of Merakis be increased?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
> > > miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
> > > Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
> > >
> > > It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and see
> > > what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)  If
> > > you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
> > > you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
> > > everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
> > >
> > > Gabe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > i wanted to give batman a try
> > > >
> > > > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying
> > > > > around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open
> > > > > meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =j
> > > > >
> > > > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this
> > > > > > weekend . sunday?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =j
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Fri Apr 18 14:58:59 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:58:59 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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Initial intention: yup.

Price: US$40-50 + shipping + duty: see http://open-mesh.com

My primary interest is in building out the WT network.  If that takes fancy
routing, we'll learn some fancy routing.  But one step at a time.

Gabe


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:

> Point taken.
>
> How much is each node?
>
> So your initial intention is to just establish, stabilize and wirelessly
> link the  Robin/Meraki boxes?
>
> If so all I am saying is that there is no real routing to speak of, i.e.
>
> Node 1 = default gateway. Packet A from the internet hits the gateway and
> has two routing choices Node 2 or Node 3 one hop away?
>
> Or a slight variation, i.e. Node 1 --> Node 2 --> Node 3 ?
>
> Regards,
>
> NK
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
> > The density of nodes can be increased if someone increases the density
> > of cash in my wallet.
> >
> > 3 nodes is adequate for the use cases which we discussed at the
> > volunteer meeting this week.  Let's start somewhere, eh?
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Gabe.
> > >
> > > Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin
> > > (which is a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual
> > > test of the robin mesh capabilities.
> > >
> > > Can the density of Merakis be increased?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
> > > > miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
> > > > Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
> > > >
> > > > It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and
> > > > see what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)
> > > > If you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
> > > > you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
> > > > everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
> > > >
> > > > Gabe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > i wanted to give batman a try
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some
> > > > > > lying around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few
> > > > > > open meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =j
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this
> > > > > > > weekend . sunday?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > =j
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
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From jasonroks at gmail.com  Sat Apr 19 20:45:14 2008
From: jasonroks at gmail.com (jr)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:45:14 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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i'm up for doing this on  tues instead when gabe is available to documention
he wants. =)

some of my objectives are to get familiar with the hardware and evaluate if
it is a viable solution.
testing: distance. speed and reliability. set-up/flashing process. issues
passing thru to wifidog auth. etc.

I suspect that open-mesh will be the inevitable solution for WT but testing
meraki can't hurt/

so how's that? Gabe, Nicholas, David and Jason thus far?

Jason
-


On 18/04/2008, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
> Initial intention: yup.
>
> Price: US$40-50 + shipping + duty: see http://open-mesh.com
>
> My primary interest is in building out the WT network.  If that takes
> fancy routing, we'll learn some fancy routing.  But one step at a time.
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Point taken.
> >
> > How much is each node?
> >
> > So your initial intention is to just establish, stabilize and wirelessly
> > link the  Robin/Meraki boxes?
> >
> > If so all I am saying is that there is no real routing to speak of, i.e.
> >
> > Node 1 = default gateway. Packet A from the internet hits the gateway
> > and has two routing choices Node 2 or Node 3 one hop away?
> >
> > Or a slight variation, i.e. Node 1 --> Node 2 --> Node 3 ?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > NK
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The density of nodes can be increased if someone increases the density
> > > of cash in my wallet.
> > >
> > > 3 nodes is adequate for the use cases which we discussed at the
> > > volunteer meeting this week.  Let's start somewhere, eh?
> > >
> > > Gabe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Gabe.
> > > >
> > > > Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin
> > > > (which is a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual
> > > > test of the robin mesh capabilities.
> > > >
> > > > Can the density of Merakis be increased?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if
> > > > > I miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open
> > > > > on Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and
> > > > > see what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)
> > > > > If you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
> > > > > you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
> > > > > everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
> > > > >
> > > > > Gabe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > i wanted to give batman a try
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some
> > > > > > > lying around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few
> > > > > > > open meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > =j
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <
> > > > > > > nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks <<aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this
> > > > > > > > weekend . sunday?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > =j
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
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> > > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Sat Apr 19 20:56:19 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:56:19 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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Works for me -- I'll keep Tuesday evening clear.


On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:45 PM, jr <jasonroks at gmail.com> wrote:

> i'm up for doing this on  tues instead when gabe is available to
> documention he wants. =)
>
> some of my objectives are to get familiar with the hardware and evaluate
> if it is a viable solution.
> testing: distance. speed and reliability. set-up/flashing process. issues
> passing thru to wifidog auth. etc.
>
> I suspect that open-mesh will be the inevitable solution for WT but
> testing meraki can't hurt/
>
> so how's that? Gabe, Nicholas, David and Jason thus far?
>
> Jason
> -
>
>
>
> On 18/04/2008, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Initial intention: yup.
> >
> > Price: US$40-50 + shipping + duty: see http://open-mesh.com
> >
> > My primary interest is in building out the WT network.  If that takes
> > fancy routing, we'll learn some fancy routing.  But one step at a time.
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Point taken.
> > >
> > > How much is each node?
> > >
> > > So your initial intention is to just establish, stabilize and
> > > wirelessly link the  Robin/Meraki boxes?
> > >
> > > If so all I am saying is that there is no real routing to speak of,
> > > i.e.
> > >
> > > Node 1 = default gateway. Packet A from the internet hits the gateway
> > > and has two routing choices Node 2 or Node 3 one hop away?
> > >
> > > Or a slight variation, i.e. Node 1 --> Node 2 --> Node 3 ?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > NK
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The density of nodes can be increased if someone increases the
> > > > density of cash in my wallet.
> > > >
> > > > 3 nodes is adequate for the use cases which we discussed at the
> > > > volunteer meeting this week.  Let's start somewhere, eh?
> > > >
> > > > Gabe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Gabe.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin
> > > > > (which is a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual
> > > > > test of the robin mesh capabilities.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can the density of Merakis be increased?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday...
> > > > > > if I miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm
> > > > > > open on Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN,
> > > > > > and see what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton
> > > > > > boxes.)  If you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the
> > > > > > office.  If you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully
> > > > > > document everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gabe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > i wanted to give batman a try
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some
> > > > > > > > lying around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few
> > > > > > > > open meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > =j
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <
> > > > > > > > nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks <<aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this
> > > > > > > > > weekend . sunday?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > =j
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > > > > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > > > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > >
> > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > >
> > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > >
> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
> >
>
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 19:01:26 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:01:26 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
Message-ID: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>

I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based content  
we want on the access point landing pages.

I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners

1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?

2) news

3) classifieds

4) local businesses

5) housing

6) local community events and services

7) other?

=j



From gabe at pwd.ca  Sun Apr 20 21:56:54 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:56:54 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>

We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages

Gabe


On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based content we
> want on the access point landing pages.
>
> I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
>
> 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
>
> 2) news
>
> 3) classifieds
>
> 4) local businesses
>
> 5) housing
>
> 6) local community events and services
>
> 7) other?
>
> =j
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 23:47:44 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:47:44 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>

please post to list if ya can so we can discuss?

=j


On 20-Apr-08, at 9:56 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
> http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based  
> content we want on the access point landing pages.
>
> I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
>
> 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
>
> 2) news
>
> 3) classifieds
>
> 4) local businesses
>
> 5) housing
>
> 6) local community events and services
>
> 7) other?
>
> =j
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Apr 22 14:28:35 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:28:35 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] outage
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804221128r24c32f7fg19a0b1d85698f49b@mail.gmail.com>

We had a major outage -- sometime yesterday the auth server crashed.  I've
spent today setting up another server to act as interim auth server while we
get the main one working again.

All essential systems should be back to normal now.  Only OpenVPN is still
down, because I haven't set up the new server for it yet.

Gabe
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 14:34:19 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:34:19 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] outage
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780804221128r24c32f7fg19a0b1d85698f49b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780804221128r24c32f7fg19a0b1d85698f49b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D8B6581-409A-4658-A091-81A587D8CFE4@gmail.com>

thanks a ton, gabe.

=j


On 22-Apr-08, at 2:28 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> We had a major outage -- sometime yesterday the auth server  
> crashed.  I've spent today setting up another server to act as  
> interim auth server while we get the main one working again.
>
> All essential systems should be back to normal now.  Only OpenVPN is  
> still down, because I haven't set up the new server for it yet.
>
> Gabe
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss


From dory.kornfeld at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 17:13:00 2008
From: dory.kornfeld at gmail.com (dory kornfeld)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:13:00 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
	<614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c70065a40804211413t556919beo7fca596a12a0f56c@mail.gmail.com>

Matt and I came up with a really good list of potential things at the
meeting the other day; I don't have time to write all about it
now--but when I get a chance (probably next monday) I will.

D

On 4/20/08, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> please post to list if ya can so we can discuss?
>
> =j
>
>
>
> On 20-Apr-08, at 9:56 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
>
> We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
> http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based content we
> want on the access point landing pages.
> >
> > I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
> >
> > 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
> >
> > 2) news
> >
> > 3) classifieds
> >
> > 4) local businesses
> >
> > 5) housing
> >
> > 6) local community events and services
> >
> > 7) other?
> >
> > =j
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>


From aneasyone at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 16:37:03 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:37:03 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <c70065a40804211413t556919beo7fca596a12a0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
	<614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>
	<c70065a40804211413t556919beo7fca596a12a0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1FAC5FF6-A21F-4FE6-8DF8-F83884F8CDF1@gmail.com>

does anyone want to take a crack at mocking something up in photoshop?
what it might look like.

the structure of wifidog is weblog block structure.

we have ideas on the wiki to start from and then we will have  
something to visualize and discuss further on list.

I see a map so far :)


=j


On 21-Apr-08, at 5:13 PM, "dory kornfeld" <dory.kornfeld at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Matt and I came up with a really good list of potential things at the
> meeting the other day; I don't have time to write all about it
> now--but when I get a chance (probably next monday) I will.
>
> D
>
> On 4/20/08, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> please post to list if ya can so we can discuss?
>>
>> =j
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20-Apr-08, at 9:56 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
>> http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages
>>
>> Gabe
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based  
>>> content we
>> want on the access point landing pages.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
>>>
>>> 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
>>>
>>> 2) news
>>>
>>> 3) classifieds
>>>
>>> 4) local businesses
>>>
>>> 5) housing
>>>
>>> 6) local community events and services
>>>
>>> 7) other?
>>>
>>> =j
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>>
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss


From tony at anthonyfsaad.com  Tue Apr 22 17:28:15 2008
From: tony at anthonyfsaad.com (Anthony F. Saad)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:28:15 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <1FAC5FF6-A21F-4FE6-8DF8-F83884F8CDF1@gmail.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
	<614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>
	<c70065a40804211413t556919beo7fca596a12a0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1FAC5FF6-A21F-4FE6-8DF8-F83884F8CDF1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC283CF1-DDE8-48F4-8ADB-848F7FA6707D@anthonyfsaad.com>

was thinking I could help with this....

went to the site - well at least tried to get there... but no one's  
home...?

5:27pm Tuesday

Unable to connect

Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at  
wirelesstoronto.ca.

     *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try  
again in a few
           moments.

     *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's  
network
           connection.

     *   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or  
proxy, make sure
           that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

T




On 22-Apr-08, at 4:37 PM, j.roks wrote:

> does anyone want to take a crack at mocking something up in photoshop?
> what it might look like.
>
> the structure of wifidog is weblog block structure.
>
> we have ideas on the wiki to start from and then we will have
> something to visualize and discuss further on list.
>
> I see a map so far :)
>
>
> =j
>
>
> On 21-Apr-08, at 5:13 PM, "dory kornfeld" <dory.kornfeld at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Matt and I came up with a really good list of potential things at the
>> meeting the other day; I don't have time to write all about it
>> now--but when I get a chance (probably next monday) I will.
>>
>> D
>>
>> On 4/20/08, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> please post to list if ya can so we can discuss?
>>>
>>> =j
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20-Apr-08, at 9:56 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
>>> http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages
>>>
>>> Gabe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based
>>>> content we
>>> want on the access point landing pages.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
>>>>
>>>> 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
>>>>
>>>> 2) news
>>>>
>>>> 3) classifieds
>>>>
>>>> 4) local businesses
>>>>
>>>> 5) housing
>>>>
>>>> 6) local community events and services
>>>>
>>>> 7) other?
>>>>
>>>> =j
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>>>
>>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
> wirelesstoronto-discuss

Anthony F. Saad
+1.416.466.3205
http://anthonyfsaad.com
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From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca  Tue Apr 22 18:21:05 2008
From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:21:05 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <AC283CF1-DDE8-48F4-8ADB-848F7FA6707D@anthonyfsaad.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
	<614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>
	<c70065a40804211413t556919beo7fca596a12a0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1FAC5FF6-A21F-4FE6-8DF8-F83884F8CDF1@gmail.com>
	<AC283CF1-DDE8-48F4-8ADB-848F7FA6707D@anthonyfsaad.com>
Message-ID: <ff82f7880804221521y4e78292ewb682ced5c4bc44d5@mail.gmail.com>

it should be back up when the DNS resolves some changes made this morning?
soon. =)

Jason
-

On 22/04/2008, Anthony F. Saad <tony at anthonyfsaad.com> wrote:
>
> was thinking I could help with this....
> went to the site - well at least tried to get there... but no one's
> home...?
>
> 5:27pm Tuesday
>
> Unable to connect
>
> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at wirelesstoronto.ca.
>
>     *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again
> in a few
>           moments.
>
>     *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
>           connection.
>
>     *   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy,
> make sure
>           that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
>
> T
>
>
>
>
> On 22-Apr-08, at 4:37 PM, j.roks wrote:
>
> does anyone want to take a crack at mocking something up in photoshop?
> what it might look like.
>
> the structure of wifidog is weblog block structure.
>
> we have ideas on the wiki to start from and then we will have
> something to visualize and discuss further on list.
>
> I see a map so far :)
>
>
> =j
>
>
> On 21-Apr-08, at 5:13 PM, "dory kornfeld" <dory.kornfeld at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Matt and I came up with a really good list of potential things at the
> meeting the other day; I don't have time to write all about it
> now--but when I get a chance (probably next monday) I will.
>
> D
>
> On 4/20/08, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> please post to list if ya can so we can discuss?
>
> =j
>
>
>
> On 20-Apr-08, at 9:56 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
>
> We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
> http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based
> content we
>
> want on the access point landing pages.
>
>
> I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
>
> 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
>
> 2) news
>
> 3) classifieds
>
> 4) local businesses
>
> 5) housing
>
> 6) local community events and services
>
> 7) other?
>
> =j
>
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Wed Apr 23 14:39:02 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (rancid franklin)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:39:02 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] meshie meshie testie
Message-ID: <4328971E-1115-4BB3-BC1D-73A62B3CD75B@gmail.com>

it appears flashing meraki with merhacki was successful. =j

I'm picking up from csi and will be doing some tests aboot town. queen  
west in da rain.

anyone who wishes to join me can simply email meshiemeshie at digitalpeasants.com

wish me/us luck.

thunder!!!


From aneasyone at gmail.com  Wed Apr 23 16:01:16 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:01:16 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WirelessToronto Spring Volunteer
	Meetup
Message-ID: <7A5B4AF7-DD10-4BB0-A23C-28D9642E43D2@gmail.com>

Hi all,

First of all, I wanted to thank everyone who came out to the spring  
volunteer meetup last week.

I was pleased to see the familiar faces and new ones. Somehow we  
jammed everyone into that small meeting room and accomplished more  
than we could have hoped for.

In the next couple weeks we will be announcing some projects on this  
mail list that came out of the volunteer sessions.

please keep an eye out for the areas that interest you and contact the  
project leader indicated on each project announcement.

some upcoming projects will include:
-venue sprint.
-WT 3rd yr anniversary event.
-local content portal design/build.
-sponsorship/funding campaign.
-mesh testing and research.

we also have openings for volunteers to lead or assist with managing  
some of these initiatives. please shout out on the list if you have  
time and interest to get involved.

I look forward to seeing you all again soon and a fantastic year for  
WirelessToronto and community wifi overall.

Jason
=j



From mburpee at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 10:08:33 2008
From: mburpee at gmail.com (Matthew Burpee)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:08:33 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] wirelesstoronto-discuss Digest, Vol 42,
	Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1208899699.9601.wirelesstoronto-discuss@wirelesstoronto.ca>
References: <mailman.23.1208899699.9601.wirelesstoronto-discuss@wirelesstoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <3210194f0804240708k514c1dd0se591a74f2fba67db@mail.gmail.com>

Portal Page: The wiki has been updated with some portal page ideas Dory and
I discussed at the last volunteer meeting. Please add to this, for example
with sponsorship features on the portal.

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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 13:36:16 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:36:16 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] April 28 - communications/outreach
	planning meeting
Message-ID: <eab19db50804241036r563059cetb82b61b2c2716d35@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

after lots of great ideas at the Spring Volunteer meeting, re: Wireless
Toronto  communications and outreach (i.e. May Venue Sprint), it's time to
have that all-important followup meeting.  Those of you who said you were
interested in helping out in these areas, please do join us!

As for the May Venue Sprint, it is set to take place between May 22-25, and
culminate in WTs 3rd anniversary party.  And, we're hoping the party can be
held at a new hotspot!!!

So if you're interested in helping out in terms of press, planning, and
pitchkit revamping, we'd love to see you at this next meeting, Monday April
28.

meeting time - 6pm
meeting place - tbd (suggestions?)



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From aa175 at torfree.net  Thu Apr 24 18:41:03 2008
From: aa175 at torfree.net (Ken McCracken)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:41:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, Nicholas Kovats wrote:

> Hi Gabe.
>
> Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin (which is
> a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual test of the
> robin mesh capabilities.
>
> Can the density of Merakis be increased?
>

Toronto Free-Net has some pre-EULA Meraki units we can lend to the 
prototyping efforts. How many do you need?

Ken


> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
>> miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
>> Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
>>
>> It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and see
>> what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)  If
>> you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
>> you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
>> everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
>>
>> Gabe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i wanted to give batman a try
>>>
>>> https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying
>>>> around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open
>>>> meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =j
>>>>
>>>> On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What do you have in mind, J?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
>>>> aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
>>>>> sunday?
>>>>>
>>>>> =j
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 18:53:44 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:53:44 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Wireless Toronto Spring Volunteer
	Meetup
Message-ID: <6C26F6C0-9CE1-4FC6-8A94-442CEED69E29@gmail.com>

glad to hear your up to meshing it up. there will be another volunteer  
meeting soon enough.

re: mesh tests- gabe and I are planning to test again this weekend.  
keep an eye here on the list for day/time of meshie meshie.

for bg info read up on open-mesh.com ,  freethenet.ca and wifidog.org

re: venue sprint- a venue sprint is an awareness campaign to local  
businesses and services. please check in with hanna at wirelessToronto.ca  
for more details.

maybe see u this weekend...

Jason

=j


On 25-Apr-08, at 12:52 AM, "luanne winchiu" <lwinchiu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> I never made it out to the first meeting but am still interested in  
> joining. I'm just throwing my hand up to volunteer for the mesh  
> testing and research. I am no expert but would like to contribute  
> some time to learning more about it.  Also, what is a venue sprint?
>
> Cheers!
> Luanne
>
>
>
> Mark Kuznicki   	
> View profile
>  More options Apr 23, 4:31 pm
> From: Mark Kuznicki <mark.kuznicki at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:31:17 -0400
> Local: Wed, Apr 23 2008 4:31 pm
> Subject: Fwd: WirelessToronto Spring Volunteer Meetup
> Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message |  
> Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author
> For those of who don't know, our favourite local wifi heroes
> WirelessToronto are taking a new direction and initiating a major
> build-out effort.
>
>  From its amazing yet humble beginnings as an all-volunteer club with
> no funding, WT is changing direction in order to become a sustainable,
> scalable non-profit social enterprise and thereby increase its
> organizational capacity to deliver wifi to the people.  This means us.
>
> The group is currently working on its roadmap for the future, so lots
> is yet undefined, but I'm really excited by this new energy and I'm
> looking forward to seeing how things develop.
>
> If you're interested, you should join the Wireless Toronto email
> list:  http://wirelesstoronto.ca/wt_involved.php and raise your hand
> if you've got mad skilz in any of the areas outlined below.
>
> Mark Kuznicki
> http://remarkk.com/
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
> > From: "j.roks" <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > Date: April 23, 2008 4:01:16 PM GMT-04:00
> > To: "wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca" <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > Subject: Re: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WirelessToronto Spring
> > Volunteer Meetup
> > Reply-To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> > Hi all,
>
> > First of all, I wanted to thank everyone who came out to the spring
> > volunteer meetup last week.
>
> > I was pleased to see the familiar faces and new ones. Somehow we
> > jammed everyone into that small meeting room and accomplished more
> > than we could have hoped for.
>
> > In the next couple weeks we will be announcing some projects on this
> > mail list that came out of the volunteer sessions.
>
> > please keep an eye out for the areas that interest you and contact  
> the
> > project leader indicated on each project announcement.
>
> > some upcoming projects will include:
> > -venue sprint.
> > -WT 3rd yr anniversary event.
> > -local content portal design/build.
> > -sponsorship/funding campaign.
> > -mesh testing and research.
>
> > we also have openings for volunteers to lead or assist with managing
> > some of these initiatives. please shout out on the list if you have
> > time and interest to get involved.
>
> > I look forward to seeing you all again soon and a fantastic year for
> > WirelessToronto and community wifi overall.
>
> > Jason
> > =j
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoro 
> ...
>
>
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Luanne Winchiu
>
> E-mail: lwinchiu at gmail.com
> Tel: (416) 820-8180
>
> "Exploration is the physical expression of the Intellectual Passion"  
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Tue Apr 29 10:38:50 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:38:50 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] location for wirelessToronto 3rd year
	birthday party
Message-ID: <B3080F98-6702-4589-9F0F-43B32DE8B1B4@gmail.com>

wondering if the list has any ideas on where to hold the  
wirelessToronto 3rd year party in late May.

=j



From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 13:11:37 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:11:37 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Fwd: A picture of how far the Wifidog
	project has advanced in the last two years
Message-ID: <eab19db50804021011m7a027453t9c164139073fc1d1@mail.gmail.com>

FYI, re: wifidog

Benoit includes a hat tip to WT's Rob Janes, Gabe Sawhney.. =)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 01:20:29 -0400
From: Benoit Gr?goire <benoitg at coeus.ca>
Subject: [CWN-Summit] A picture of how far the wifidog project has
       advanced        in the last two years
To: wifidog at listes.ilesansfil.org, B?n?voles de ZAP Qu?bec
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We often talk about unsung heroes;  individuals who toil quietly, content to
leave all the glory to the group or endeavour that they embraced.  But
sometimes, even the endeavour itself can be unsung and taken for granted.

Two recent events made me realize how little known the efforts (or even the
existence) of the multitude of wifidog contributors have become, even to
some
people right at the heart of the wireless community movement!  Some had even
built the perception that progress of the wifidog project as a whole slowed
after ?le sans fil (around march 2006) stopped maintaining it two years ago.

Those who know me in person know how much of a loud mouth I can be.  But I
also have a very low key working style.  I do stuff and don't brag about it
when I complete a task.  Quite frankly, I don't like braggers, and I am
always afraid of being branded as one.  Unfortunately, it seems I have
imprinted this style on the wifidog project, and that's not a good thing!

Today's Internet is a world of appearances, black and white opinions based
on
first impressions, soundbytes and short attention spans.  So in this world
demonstrating how lively the wifidog project really is just plain requires
bragging, soundbites and thanking every contributor individually (if
possible):

So here it goes.  All that follows occured ONLY in the last two years:

* 151 bug reports and feature requests were closed with status fixed!

* 34 new organisations have listed themselves on as using wifidog, bringing
the total from 15 to 49

* 17 individuals deserve our thanks for making code contributions:
-Max Horvath (max)
-Fran?ois Proulx (fproulx)
-Benoit Gr?goire (benoitg)
-Rob Janes
-Dana Spiegel (dana)
-Lokkju Brennr (lokkju)
-prospere
-Damien Raude-Morvan (drazzib)
-David Bird (david)
-Philippe April (papril)
-Alexandre Carmel Veilleux (acv)
-leandro
-tdb
-Josephus
-jguevara
-David Young
-dc.ml
-Medea
As it has been demonstrated over and over, in a software project with a full
lifecycle (including Open source) the majority of the required effort is not
coding!  And indeed we have quite a few more people to thank, whithout whom
the wifidog community as we know it simply couldn't exist:

* 13 translators maintained translations and brought the number of supported
languages from 3 to 10!
-Frederic Sheedy, French
-Fran?ois Proulx, French
-Benoit Gr?goire, French
-Frederic Sheedy, Franch
-MiguelCMA, Portugese
-Nikola Petrov (nvp_online), Bulgarian, Greek
-Gabriel Hahmann, Brazilian Portuguese
-Ricardo Jose Guevara Ochoa, Spanish
-Max Horvath, German
-leandro at texnet.it, Italian
-florida, Italian
-taedu AT ninjin-net DOT net, Japanese
-Christian Svensson, Swedish

* 51 Wiki editors (there are also many anonymous editors) improved our
documentation, our picture of our own community and humm ... our spelling.
-Robin Jones
-Benoit Gr?goire
-Alexandre Carmel Veilleux
-Philippe April
-Shyju Kanaprath
-Andrew Hodel
-bener
-risc
-Paul Scollon
-coolbeansdude51
-manuignatius
-Joe Bowser
-Mark Stephens
-wad
-flazcano
-wmaalouf
-Michael Lenczner
-Gilbert Fafard
-Florida
-taedoo
-disasm
-Pascal Leclerc
-paul
-simon
-gcrumb
-flazcano
-pk
-Gabriel Hahmann
-Max Horvath
-golden_rock
-Pascal Charest
-rnissley
-Gabe Shawney
-gregs
-Caleb Phillips
-cfd
-Benjamin
-masked
-Damien Raude-Morvan
-Pascal Rullier
-Mathias Houngbo
-ludo
-jguevara
-ifoude
-datamile
-mmemeteau
-Fran?ois Proulx
-matt
-sam
-ronit
-amccann

* All the people who took the time to open tickets and report bugs or
suggest
features in the first place.

* Thanks to everyone hanging on IRC.  At any given time there's about 10
individuals in the channel, which has become the primary way we help new
users and developers.

* Thanks to all the people answering questions on the mailing list, not to
mention the 234 people who care enough about wifidog to stay subscribed and
let us fill their mailbox on a regular basis.

* Thanks to ?le sans fil for providing Servers and bandwidth

* Finally, thanks to the following organisations who made financial
contributions (that I know of) to the development of wifidog:
-Obx Labs
-Less Networks
-ZAP Sheerbrooke
-Max Spot GBH

All of you in the last two years decided to go beyond merely using the work
of
others or fixing your immediate problem and have taken the time to give
back,
so others can in turn build upon your contributions.  It takes years to
build
a viable Open source development community around a project.  It's
especially
challenging in a very small niche like captive portals, where most of the
work is not visible to the end users.  But we have certainly have come a
very
long way!

There are great opportunities ahead for the community wireless movement, now
that the storm of Muni wireless (at least as a threath to community groups)
has blown over.  There are also great challenges, from increasingly hostile
legal environments, changes to the economic environment of procuring
Internet
bandwidth to the increasing variety of mobile devices.  Also, wifidog is
used
more and more by private corporations.

Finding good and lasting technical solutions to such real world problems,
and
implementing them using such a diversity of priorities and interest will
continue to require a great deal of foresight and diplomacy.

But we are not alone, and if we work together, it's not even that hard ;)

Keep up the good work, and give yourselves a pat in the back, you deserve
it.
There is no contribution too small, if only to remind the other contributors
that they are not alone.
--
Benoit Gr?goire
Technologies Coeus inc.


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From bock at step.polymtl.ca  Wed Apr  2 23:50:33 2008
From: bock at step.polymtl.ca (Benoit =?utf-8?q?Gr=C3=A9goire?=)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 23:50:33 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] A picture of how far the wifidog project
	has advanced in the last two years
Message-ID: <200804022350.34786.bock@step.polymtl.ca>

We often talk about unsung heroes;  individuals who toil quietly, content to 
leave all the glory to the group or endeavour that they embraced.  But 
sometimes, even the endeavour itself can be unsung and taken for granted.

Two recent events made me realize how little known the efforts (or even the 
existence) of the multitude of wifidog contributors have become, even to some 
people right at the heart of the wireless community movement!  Some had even 
built the perception that progress of the wifidog project as a whole slowed 
after ?le sans fil (around march 2006) stopped maintaining it two years ago.  

Those who know me in person know how much of a loud mouth I can be.  But I 
also have a very low key working style.  I do stuff and don't brag about it 
when I complete a task.  Quite frankly, I don't like braggers, and I am 
always afraid of being branded as one.  Unfortunately, it seems I have 
imprinted this style on the wifidog project, and that's not a good thing!

Today's Internet is a world of appearances, black and white opinions based on 
first impressions, soundbytes and short attention spans.  So in this world 
demonstrating how lively the wifidog project really is just plain requires 
bragging, soundbites and thanking every contributor individually (if 
possible):

So here it goes.  All that follows occured ONLY in the last two years:

* 151 bug reports and feature requests were closed with status fixed!

* 34 new organisations have listed themselves on as using wifidog, bringing 
the total from 15 to 49

* 17 individuals deserve our thanks for making code contributions:
-Max Horvath (max)
-Fran?ois Proulx (fproulx)
-Benoit Gr?goire (benoitg)
-Rob Janes
-Dana Spiegel (dana)
-Lokkju Brennr (lokkju)
-prospere
-Damien Raude-Morvan (drazzib)
-David Bird (david)
-Philippe April (papril)
-Alexandre Carmel Veilleux (acv)
-leandro
-tdb
-Josephus
-jguevara
-David Young
-dc.ml
-Medea
As it has been demonstrated over and over, in a software project with a full 
lifecycle (including Open source) the majority of the required effort is not 
coding!  And indeed we have quite a few more people to thank, whithout whom 
the wifidog community as we know it simply couldn't exist:

* 13 translators maintained translations and brought the number of supported 
languages from 3 to 10!
-Frederic Sheedy, French
-Fran?ois Proulx, French
-Benoit Gr?goire, French
-Frederic Sheedy, Franch
-MiguelCMA, Portugese
-Nikola Petrov (nvp_online), Bulgarian, Greek
-Gabriel Hahmann, Brazilian Portuguese
-Ricardo Jose Guevara Ochoa, Spanish
-Max Horvath, German
-leandro at texnet.it, Italian
-florida, Italian
-taedu AT ninjin-net DOT net, Japanese
-Christian Svensson, Swedish

* 51 Wiki editors (there are also many anonymous editors) improved our 
documentation, our picture of our own community and humm ... our spelling.
-Robin Jones
-Benoit Gr?goire
-Alexandre Carmel Veilleux
-Philippe April
-Shyju Kanaprath
-Andrew Hodel
-bener
-risc
-Paul Scollon
-coolbeansdude51
-manuignatius
-Joe Bowser
-Mark Stephens
-wad
-flazcano
-wmaalouf
-Michael Lenczner
-Gilbert Fafard
-Florida
-taedoo
-disasm
-Pascal Leclerc
-paul
-simon
-gcrumb
-flazcano
-pk
-Gabriel Hahmann
-Max Horvath
-golden_rock
-Pascal Charest
-rnissley
-Gabe Shawney
-gregs
-Caleb Phillips
-cfd
-Benjamin
-masked
-Damien Raude-Morvan
-Pascal Rullier
-Mathias Houngbo
-ludo
-jguevara
-ifoude
-datamile
-mmemeteau
-Fran?ois Proulx
-matt
-sam
-ronit
-amccann

* All the people who took the time to open tickets and report bugs or suggest 
features in the first place.

* Thanks to everyone hanging on IRC.  At any given time there's about 10 
individuals in the channel, which has become the primary way we help new 
users and developers.

* Thanks to all the people answering questions on the mailing list, not to 
mention the 234 people who care enough about wifidog to stay subscribed and 
let us fill their mailbox on a regular basis.

* Thanks to ?le sans fil for providing Servers and bandwidth

* Finally, thanks to the following organisations who made financial 
contributions (that I know of) to the development of wifidog:
-Obx Labs
-Less Networks
-ZAP Sheerbrooke
-Max Spot GBH

All of you in the last two years decided to go beyond merely using the work of 
others or fixing your immediate problem and have taken the time to give back, 
so others can in turn build upon your contributions.  It takes years to build 
a viable Open source development community around a project.  It's especially 
challenging in a very small niche like captive portals, where most of the 
work is not visible to the end users.  But we have certainly have come a very 
long way!

There are great opportunities ahead for the community wireless movement, now 
that the storm of Muni wireless (at least as a threath to community groups) 
has blown over.  There are also great challenges, from increasingly hostile 
legal environments, changes to the economic environment of procuring Internet 
bandwidth to the increasing variety of mobile devices.  Also, wifidog is used 
more and more by private corporations.  

Finding good and lasting technical solutions to such real world problems, and 
implementing them using such a diversity of priorities and interest will 
continue to require a great deal of foresight and diplomacy.

But we are not alone, and if we work together, it's not even that hard ;)
 
Keep up the good work, and give yourselves a pat in the back, you deserve it.  
There is no contribution too small, if only to remind the other contributors 
that they are not alone.
-- 
Benoit Gr?goire
Technologies Coeus inc.


From gabe at pwd.ca  Thu Apr  3 17:07:17 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:07:17 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Fwd: Montreal Gathering of Community
	Wireless Groups / Communaute sans fils Sommet 2008 - May 3 &
	4 Montreal
In-Reply-To: <bbde3c880804031311r1cb2f67bqb909c47eb124796b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbde3c880804031311r1cb2f67bqb909c47eb124796b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804031407g2e47ca1qde980253da026050@mail.gmail.com>

It'd be fun to go to this... anyone else want to go?

Gabe


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com>
Date: 2008/4/3
Subject: Montreal Gathering of Community Wireless Groups / Communaute
sans fils Sommet 2008 - May 3 & 4 Montreal
To: Ottawa-Gatineau WiFi <ogwifi at list.flora.ca>
Cc: Barbara Crow <bacrow at sympatico.ca>, Andrew Clement
<andrew.clement at utoronto.ca>, Amelia Bryne Potter
<ameliabpotter at gmail.com>, Neal McIntyre <neal.mcintyre at gmail.com>,
Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>, "Richard Lussier, ISF"
<richard.lussier at ilesansfil.org>, motomaster at pmvp.ca


Communaute Sans Fil in Quebec will be having another gathering in
Montreal on May 3rd.  Last Year ogWiFi inspired such a gathering and
it was really useful.  It will mostly be Quebec Groups and let me tell
you they have done amazing things these groups in the last year with
some really inspiring business models.  I simultaneously translated
(tagged teamed a bit with Michael L.) for the anglo crowd last year
and would be willing to do so again this year should any folks from
CWIRP or Wireless Toronto or Anglo speaking folks from Ottawa would
like to attend.

Might be nice for CWIRP to share their research and to see if there
are ways to further this work in collaboration with Quebec rural and
non main city groups.  Very interesting work.

Any one from ogWiFi want to go?

I pasted the outline of what they are looking for at this gathering
below.  I will gladly translate later for those who would like it.  If
no one requests it I won't!

Sat will be a review of all the groups while sunday will be a nice
brunch.  If billets are required the folks in MTL are very
accomodating, and there are also some wonderful hostels too. See
below:

 Subject: Re: [AllianceCSF] Sommet 2008
 To: Alliance des groupes sans-fil communautaires
        <alliancecsf at diffusion.zapquebec.org>
 Message-ID: <47F43412.5080708 at pmvp.ca>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 Bonjour ? tous,

 Nous avons r?ussi enfin ? placer une date sur cet ?v?nement que nous
 attendons tous.
 Il s'agit du samedi 3 mai 2008 de 9h ? 17h, et pour ceux que ?a
 int?resse, un brunch dimanche 4 mai 2008 vers 11h.

 Nous aimerions que chacun des organismes nous indiquent le nombre de
 participants qui seront pr?sents  afin que l'on puisse pr?voir les
 besoins logistiques.

 Voici plus de d?tails sur l'?v?nement.

 Tout d'abord, nous voudrions baser le programme sur le partage des
 bonnes pratiques. Six grands th?mes feront l'objet de pr?sentations de
 la part de chacun des organismes pr?sents.

 1- Organisation: structure, mod?le, membership, responsabilit?s des
 individus.

 2- B?n?volat et ressources: gestion, limites, animation, motivation.

 3. Buts et implications sociales et communautaires.

 4- Financement: mod?le d'affaire, partenariat, contributions.

 5- Technologie: op?rations, s?curit?, portail, r?seau.

 6- Le futur: projection, autres march?s et mod?les, mutation des
 technologies.

 Si vous voyez autre chose, n'h?sitez pas ? nous communiquer vos id?es.
 Au plaisir de vous revoir participer en grand nombre !!

 Merci

 Richard Lussier et Laurent Maisonnave


 Richard Lussier wrote:
 > Bonjour ? tous,
 >
 > Au printemps dernier, nous avons tous particip?s ? un ?v?nement qui
 > nous rassemblait autour d'une table pour discuter des projets de
 > chacun. Plusieurs ont concr?tis?s leurs r?ves durant cette ann?e, et
 > ils ont accompli des pas de g?ants. Cet ?v?nement a aussi permis de
 > cr?er un regroupement d'organismes qu'on a appel? Alliance CSF. Il
 > serait tr?s int?ressant de reprendre cet ?v?nement cette ann?e et
 > d'interroger tous ces groupes sur les moyens qu'ils ont pris pour
 > r?aliser leurs buts et de redonner vie ? cette Alliance. Je crois que
 > tous nous partageons sensiblement les m?mes buts, et le partage de ces
 > informations permettrait ? tous et chacun de croitre plus rapidement.
 > Cet ?v?nement pourrait aussi pr?parer la participation de notre
 > Alliance ? un ?v?nement international qui a lieu chaque ann?e,
 > organis? par CUWIN,  ( http://www.cuwin.net ) du Internationnal Summit
 > for Community Wireless Networks (CWN-Summit). Cette ann?e, ce sommet
 > aura lieu ? Washington D.C.  du 28 au 30 mai. ISF compte s'y rendre
 > avec le plus de participants possibles comme ? chaque ann?e.
 > Alors, avril - mai serait la p?riode ? laquelle nous pourrions nous
 > rencontrer... un week-end ?
 > Faites-moi part des dates qui vous conviendraient pour qu'on commence
 > ? organiser le tout.
 > Il y a aussi l'ordre des jours qu'il faut ?tablir, alors des id?es ?
 > ce propos ?
 > On pourrait aussi se donner un rendez-vous / conf?rence t?l?phonique
 > pour en discuter ensemble ?
 > N'oublions pas, l'alliance, c'est nous tous !!!
 >
 > Richard Lussier
 > ISF

-- 
Tracey P. Lauriault
Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre
Dept. of Geography and Environmental Studies
Carleton University
Ottawa (ON) Canada
tlauriau at gmail.com
 613-234-2805
https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault


From aneasyone at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 00:09:52 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 00:09:52 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Fwd: Montreal Gathering of Community
	Wireless Groups / Communaute sans fils Sommet 2008 - May 3 & 4
	Montreal
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780804031407g2e47ca1qde980253da026050@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbde3c880804031311r1cb2f67bqb909c47eb124796b@mail.gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804031407g2e47ca1qde980253da026050@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F9259DF-790F-448B-B0DF-8C786291A295@gmail.com>

I'd love to go if I'm still around town. sounds like a good reason to  
stay for another few days.

keep me posted on the details.

=j


On 3-Apr-08, at 5:07 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> It'd be fun to go to this... anyone else want to go?
>
> Gabe
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com>
> Date: 2008/4/3
> Subject: Montreal Gathering of Community Wireless Groups / Communaute
> sans fils Sommet 2008 - May 3 & 4 Montreal
> To: Ottawa-Gatineau WiFi <ogwifi at list.flora.ca>
> Cc: Barbara Crow <bacrow at sympatico.ca>, Andrew Clement
> <andrew.clement at utoronto.ca>, Amelia Bryne Potter
> <ameliabpotter at gmail.com>, Neal McIntyre <neal.mcintyre at gmail.com>,
> Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>, "Richard Lussier, ISF"
> <richard.lussier at ilesansfil.org>, motomaster at pmvp.ca
>
>
> Communaute Sans Fil in Quebec will be having another gathering in
> Montreal on May 3rd.  Last Year ogWiFi inspired such a gathering and
> it was really useful.  It will mostly be Quebec Groups and let me tell
> you they have done amazing things these groups in the last year with
> some really inspiring business models.  I simultaneously translated
> (tagged teamed a bit with Michael L.) for the anglo crowd last year
> and would be willing to do so again this year should any folks from
> CWIRP or Wireless Toronto or Anglo speaking folks from Ottawa would
> like to attend.
>
> Might be nice for CWIRP to share their research and to see if there
> are ways to further this work in collaboration with Quebec rural and
> non main city groups.  Very interesting work.
>
> Any one from ogWiFi want to go?
>
> I pasted the outline of what they are looking for at this gathering
> below.  I will gladly translate later for those who would like it.  If
> no one requests it I won't!
>
> Sat will be a review of all the groups while sunday will be a nice
> brunch.  If billets are required the folks in MTL are very
> accomodating, and there are also some wonderful hostels too. See
> below:
>
> Subject: Re: [AllianceCSF] Sommet 2008
> To: Alliance des groupes sans-fil communautaires
>        <alliancecsf at diffusion.zapquebec.org>
> Message-ID: <47F43412.5080708 at pmvp.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Bonjour ? tous,
>
> Nous avons r?ussi enfin ? placer une date sur cet ?v?nement que no 
> us
> attendons tous.
> Il s'agit du samedi 3 mai 2008 de 9h ? 17h, et pour ceux que ?a
> int?resse, un brunch dimanche 4 mai 2008 vers 11h.
>
> Nous aimerions que chacun des organismes nous indiquent le nombre de
> participants qui seront pr?sents  afin que l'on puisse pr?voir les
> besoins logistiques.
>
> Voici plus de d?tails sur l'?v?nement.
>
> Tout d'abord, nous voudrions baser le programme sur le partage des
> bonnes pratiques. Six grands th?mes feront l'objet de pr?sentations  
> de
> la part de chacun des organismes pr?sents.
>
> 1- Organisation: structure, mod?le, membership, responsabilit?s des
> individus.
>
> 2- B?n?volat et ressources: gestion, limites, animation, motivation.
>
> 3. Buts et implications sociales et communautaires.
>
> 4- Financement: mod?le d'affaire, partenariat, contributions.
>
> 5- Technologie: op?rations, s?curit?, portail, r?seau.
>
> 6- Le futur: projection, autres march?s et mod?les, mutation des
> technologies.
>
> Si vous voyez autre chose, n'h?sitez pas ? nous communiquer vos  
> id?es.
> Au plaisir de vous revoir participer en grand nombre !!
>
> Merci
>
> Richard Lussier et Laurent Maisonnave
>
>
> Richard Lussier wrote:
>> Bonjour ? tous,
>>
>> Au printemps dernier, nous avons tous particip?s ? un ?v?nement  
>> qui
>> nous rassemblait autour d'une table pour discuter des projets de
>> chacun. Plusieurs ont concr?tis?s leurs r?ves durant cette ann?e, 
>>  et
>> ils ont accompli des pas de g?ants. Cet ?v?nement a aussi permis 
>>  de
>> cr?er un regroupement d'organismes qu'on a appel? Alliance CSF. Il
>> serait tr?s int?ressant de reprendre cet ?v?nement cette ann?e 
>>  et
>> d'interroger tous ces groupes sur les moyens qu'ils ont pris pour
>> r?aliser leurs buts et de redonner vie ? cette Alliance. Je crois  
>> que
>> tous nous partageons sensiblement les m?mes buts, et le partage de 
>>  ces
>> informations permettrait ? tous et chacun de croitre plus rapideme 
>> nt.
>> Cet ?v?nement pourrait aussi pr?parer la participation de notre
>> Alliance ? un ?v?nement international qui a lieu chaque ann?e,
>> organis? par CUWIN,  ( http://www.cuwin.net ) du Internationnal Su 
>> mmit
>> for Community Wireless Networks (CWN-Summit). Cette ann?e, ce sommet
>> aura lieu ? Washington D.C.  du 28 au 30 mai. ISF compte s'y rendre
>> avec le plus de participants possibles comme ? chaque ann?e.
>> Alors, avril - mai serait la p?riode ? laquelle nous pourrions nous
>> rencontrer... un week-end ?
>> Faites-moi part des dates qui vous conviendraient pour qu'on commence
>> ? organiser le tout.
>> Il y a aussi l'ordre des jours qu'il faut ?tablir, alors des id?e 
>> s ?
>> ce propos ?
>> On pourrait aussi se donner un rendez-vous / conf?rence t?l?phoni 
>> que
>> pour en discuter ensemble ?
>> N'oublions pas, l'alliance, c'est nous tous !!!
>>
>> Richard Lussier
>> ISF
>
> -- 
> Tracey P. Lauriault
> Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre
> Dept. of Geography and Environmental Studies
> Carleton University
> Ottawa (ON) Canada
> tlauriau at gmail.com
> 613-234-2805
> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Sun Apr  6 11:07:59 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 00:07:59 +0900
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] APRIL 14: Spring Volunteer Meeting
Message-ID: <eab19db50804060807t2ff5fa6dl68edb7153636f8dd@mail.gmail.com>

Wake_Shake! APRIL 14 ? Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting



Monday April 14, 2008 - 6PM start

4th floor

Centre for Social Innovation <http://upcoming.yahoo.com/venue/5425/>

215 Spadina Avenue
Toronto, Ontario

*drinks very likely to follow!



We know you've been wondering where Toronto's favorite community wireless
group has been.  Well, we've been hibernating, like the rest of the city.  But
we're back and ready to shake things up again with some exciting new
projects and events.   These include a Wireless Toronto volunteer trip to
the International Summit for Community Wireless
Networks<http://wirelesssummit.org/>(ISCWN), Transit Pulse Portals, a
Spring Venue Sprint (May), and more!



So whether you're into surfing Googlemaps, tweaking iptables rulesets,
taking/posting pictures of found objects in Toronto, or maybe just ticked
off about the whole deal with Bell/Rogers throttling internet traffic and
want to do something about for-pay internet provision in Toronto, come and
join our conversation!  There's lots of different opportunities to get
involved, and new ideas are always welcome!



Can't make it to our April meeting?

Sign up for our mailing lists:
http://wirelesstoronto.ca/lists/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-news
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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 10:22:00 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:22:00 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] NYT editorial - citywide wireless
	internet projects
Message-ID: <eab19db50804070722p642d02bdla7d03d24a8c37cd1@mail.gmail.com>

a nice editorial from the NYT last week.  replace "American" with
"Canadian", and "Earthlink" with "Toronto Hydro", and we have a comparable
 commentary that could be applied to our own city's situation.  Toronto
Hydro is sniffing around for buyers, looking for their own 'strategic change
in direction'...i.e. they're not turning a profit, so lofty rhetoric,
potential of its infrastructure, and promises bedamned?

*====================*

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/opinion/29sat4.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

March 29, 2008
Editorial
*Broadening Broadband*
**
The big problem in providing Internet service to rural America is often
called "the last mile" ? the difficulty in reaching the smallest communities
and farthest-flung houses and farms. In cities, that problem might be called
"the last block" ? the difficulty in reaching every neighborhood, no matter
how poor.

For a while, many American cities, caught up in a tide of technological and
fiscal optimism, promised to try to make Internet coverage available to all
by making it citywide, wireless and low-cost or even free.

That has proved to be harder than it seemed at first. EarthLink, an Internet
provider that was partnering with Philadelphia, has pulled out of a
much-heralded project there, and other service providers are rethinking
similar projects.

EarthLink is calling it a change in strategic direction. What that phrase
means, simply, is where's the profit? It is a reasonable question. But for
the people who have been left without Internet service as municipal wireless
plans have collapsed, there are no reasonable answers, only an
all-too-familiar barrier between them and the information age.

The neighborhoods that most need low-cost, public wireless service now find
themselves largely dependent on Internet access through public libraries.
This may not sound like a terrible thing, but have you seen what's happened
to the budgets ? and the operating hours ? of public libraries?

To cities and Internet providers, municipal Wi-Fi looked like an ideal
partnership. Philadelphia gave EarthLink free access to utility poles for
mounting wireless routers. EarthLink promised to build hot spots, offer
low-cost residential service and provide still lower-cost access for the
poorest customers.

The costs of building a network turned out to be higher than expected ? at a
time when prices for private Internet service were dropping. It also hurt,
in Philadelphia's case, that there was a major change at EarthLink, which
went from being an advocate of municipal Wi-Fi to a company determined to
cut costs.

Broadband service is no longer a luxury. It has become a basic part of the
infrastructure of education and democracy. EarthLink should fulfill the
commitments it made. Even in these tough economic times, cities should keep
pushing municipal Wi-Fi and looking for partners and plans that can make it
a reality.

-- 
hanna

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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 11:23:41 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:23:41 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] NYT editorial - citywide wireless
	internet projects
In-Reply-To: <eab19db50804070722p642d02bdla7d03d24a8c37cd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eab19db50804070722p642d02bdla7d03d24a8c37cd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E1C831B-BBC2-45DF-B965-D6138F880FBB@gmail.com>

let's do let's find replace and repost.

=j


On 7-Apr-08, at 10:22 AM, Hanna <cho.hanna at gmail.com> wrote:

> a nice editorial from the NYT last week.  replace "American" with  
> "Canadian", and "Earthlink" with "Toronto Hydro", and we have a  
> comparable  commentary that could be applied to our own city's  
> situation.  Toronto Hydro is sniffing around for buyers, looking for  
> their own 'strategic change in direction'...i.e. they're not turning  
> a profit, so lofty rhetoric, potential of its infrastructure, and  
> promises bedamned?
>
> ====================
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/opinion/29sat4.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
>
> March 29, 2008
> Editorial
> Broadening Broadband
>
> The big problem in providing Internet service to rural America is  
> often called "the last mile" ? the difficulty in reaching the smalle 
> st communities and farthest-flung houses and farms. In cities, that  
> problem might be called "the last block" ? the difficulty in reachin 
> g every neighborhood, no matter how poor.
>
> For a while, many American cities, caught up in a tide of  
> technological and fiscal optimism, promised to try to make Internet  
> coverage available to all by making it citywide, wireless and low- 
> cost or even free.
> That has proved to be harder than it seemed at first. EarthLink, an  
> Internet provider that was partnering with Philadelphia, has pulled  
> out of a much-heralded project there, and other service providers  
> are rethinking similar projects.
>
> EarthLink is calling it a change in strategic direction. What that  
> phrase means, simply, is where's the profit? It is a reasonable  
> question. But for the people who have been left without Internet  
> service as municipal wireless plans have collapsed, there are no  
> reasonable answers, only an all-too-familiar barrier between them  
> and the information age.
>
> The neighborhoods that most need low-cost, public wireless service  
> now find themselves largely dependent on Internet access through  
> public libraries. This may not sound like a terrible thing, but have  
> you seen what's happened to the budgets ? and the operating hours  
> ? of public libraries?
>
> To cities and Internet providers, municipal Wi-Fi looked like an  
> ideal partnership. Philadelphia gave EarthLink free access to  
> utility poles for mounting wireless routers. EarthLink promised to  
> build hot spots, offer low-cost residential service and provide  
> still lower-cost access for the poorest customers.
>
> The costs of building a network turned out to be higher than  
> expected ? at a time when prices for private Internet service were d 
> ropping. It also hurt, in Philadelphia's case, that there was a majo 
> r change at EarthLink, which went from being an advocate of municipa 
> l Wi-Fi to a company determined to cut costs.
>
> Broadband service is no longer a luxury. It has become a basic part  
> of the infrastructure of education and democracy. EarthLink should  
> fulfill the commitments it made. Even in these tough economic times,  
> cities should keep pushing municipal Wi-Fi and looking for partners  
> and plans that can make it a reality.
>
>
> -- 
> hanna
>
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Apr  8 11:43:08 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:43:08 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] open-mesh and open source
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804080843w4f9ed698m443170953db92214@mail.gmail.com>

There's an awesome intro to open-mesh on dailywireless.org:
http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/04/04/7624/

Also, a new direction for muni in Boston, and PersonalTelco's
community workshop in Porrtland.  All great, great stuff.

Gabe


From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 11:05:18 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:05:18 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
Message-ID: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>

interesting...SBUX (in the US, not sure about Canada) is set to offer free
wifi (2hrs) to its customers.

according to their new 'idea' blog <http://www.starbucks.com/blogs/>

> Back in February we announced that we're switching to AT&T as our Wi-Fi
> provider in our U.S. company-operated stores. As Brad Stevens mentioned in
> his post on March 24, we're thrilled to be rolling out two hours of
> complimentary Wi-Fi service for customers who have a registered Starbucks
> Card. It'll be simple to sign up. All you have to do is:
>
>    1. Register a Starbucks Card
>    2. Sign up for an AT&T Wi-Fi account (and limited ATT marketing)
>    3. Come to Starbucks and login
>
>  To keep your newly created Wi-Fi account "active" you'll need to make a
> purchase with your registered Starbucks Card or add additional funds to it
> within the prior 30 days of logging on. We feel that the complimentary two
> hours is a meaningful amount of time and a fantastic way to reward Starbucks
> Card holders.
>
> We have customers with a variety of needs?some want to come in and read,
> some want to chat with a friend and others want to use Wi-Fi. Starbucks
> means different things to different people and the two-hour limit helps
> balance the many needs of our customers so that everyone can enjoy spending
> time at Starbucks. This service will be available to all customers
> nationwide later this spring.
>

-- 
hanna

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From edward at enconsulting.ca  Wed Apr  9 11:10:37 2008
From: edward at enconsulting.ca (Edward Nixon, EN Consulting)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:10:37 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
In-Reply-To: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>

Ex-WT guy admits to paying for it!

Yes I do pay for it at Starbucks. Because I need it and downtown I find
increasingly that even open nodes are too weak or there's too much spill
over, and increasingly open nodes are locking up. So yes I do (and OneZone
is simply not an option and hey it's the same price). At least the Starbucks
Bell Hotspots work 99% of the time.

Of course free-to-the-end-user is the gold standard and like air
conditioning one day soon it will simply be something that is supplied.

Edward

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Hanna <cho.hanna at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> interesting...SBUX (in the US, not sure about Canada) is set to offer free
> wifi (2hrs) to its customers.
>
> according to their new 'idea' blog <http://www.starbucks.com/blogs/>
>
> > Back in February we announced that we're switching to AT&T as our Wi-Fi
> > provider in our U.S. company-operated stores. As Brad Stevens mentioned in
> > his post on March 24, we're thrilled to be rolling out two hours of
> > complimentary Wi-Fi service for customers who have a registered Starbucks
> > Card. It'll be simple to sign up. All you have to do is:
> >
> >    1. Register a Starbucks Card
> >    2. Sign up for an AT&T Wi-Fi account (and limited ATT marketing)
> >    3. Come to Starbucks and login
> >
> >  To keep your newly created Wi-Fi account "active" you'll need to make a
> > purchase with your registered Starbucks Card or add additional funds to it
> > within the prior 30 days of logging on. We feel that the complimentary two
> > hours is a meaningful amount of time and a fantastic way to reward Starbucks
> > Card holders.
> >
> > We have customers with a variety of needs?some want to come in and read,
> > some want to chat with a friend and others want to use Wi-Fi. Starbucks
> > means different things to different people and the two-hour limit helps
> > balance the many needs of our customers so that everyone can enjoy spending
> > time at Starbucks. This service will be available to all customers
> > nationwide later this spring.
> >
>
> --
> hanna
>
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://urban.blogs.com/seoul/
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>


-- 
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EN Consulting
@ Centre for Social Innovation
215 Spadina Avenue, Suite 400
Toronto, ON M5T 2C7
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Wed Apr  9 11:20:43 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:20:43 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
In-Reply-To: <bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804090820j32668ee3xe2ee8000d59f8cf5@mail.gmail.com>

When I'm in a pinch, I pay for it too.


> Of course free-to-the-end-user is the gold standard and like air
> conditioning one day soon it will simply be something that is supplied.

Even if you're right (and I like your optimism!), the remaining questions are:
- who will it be supplied by?
- who will be paying for it?
- what will users be giving up in return?  ("free" often comes with a price)
- what restrictions will be in place, and what effect will this have
on the way that people use it?

Free-to-the-end-user can mean a lot of things...

Gabe


From aneasyone at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 11:41:55 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:41:55 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
In-Reply-To: <bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E68B584-96E2-4D40-B92F-ACDECC730639@gmail.com>

afaik SUX is under a contract with hotspot. my guess is they have  
little say in how its doled out. but that said, let's see if WT can  
expidite that process .  muhahaha.

=j


On 9-Apr-08, at 11:10 AM, "Edward Nixon, EN Consulting" <edward at enconsulting.ca 
 > wrote:

> Ex-WT guy admits to paying for it!
>
> Yes I do pay for it at Starbucks. Because I need it and downtown I  
> find increasingly that even open nodes are too weak or there's too  
> much spill over, and increasingly open nodes are locking up. So yes  
> I do (and OneZone is simply not an option and hey it's the same  
> price). At least the Starbucks Bell Hotspots work 99% of the time.
>
> Of course free-to-the-end-user is the gold standard and like air  
> conditioning one day soon it will simply be something that is  
> supplied.
>
> Edward
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Hanna <cho.hanna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> interesting...SBUX (in the US, not sure about Canada) is set to  
> offer free wifi (2hrs) to its customers.
>
> according to their new 'idea' blog
> Back in February we announced that we're switching to AT&T as our Wi- 
> Fi provider in our U.S. company-operated stores. As Brad Stevens  
> mentioned in his post on March 24, we're thrilled to be rolling out  
> two hours of complimentary Wi-Fi service for customers who have a  
> registered Starbucks Card. It'll be simple to sign up. All you have  
> to do is:
>
> Register a Starbucks Card
> Sign up for an AT&T Wi-Fi account (and limited ATT marketing)
> Come to Starbucks and login
> To keep your newly created Wi-Fi account "active" you'll need to  
> make a purchase with your registered Starbucks Card or add  
> additional funds to it within the prior 30 days of logging on. We  
> feel that the complimentary two hours is a meaningful amount of time  
> and a fantastic way to reward Starbucks Card holders.
>
> We have customers with a variety of needs?some want to come in and r 
> ead, some want to chat with a friend and others want to use Wi-Fi. S 
> tarbucks means different things to different people and the two-hour 
>  limit helps balance the many needs of our customers so that everyon 
> e can enjoy spending time at Starbucks. This service will be availab 
> le to all customers nationwide later this spring.
>
>
> -- 
> hanna
>
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://urban.blogs.com/seoul/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Edward Nixon
> EN Consulting
> @ Centre for Social Innovation
> 215 Spadina Aven
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
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From dory.kornfeld at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 13:02:36 2008
From: dory.kornfeld at gmail.com (dory kornfeld)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:02:36 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
In-Reply-To: <4E68B584-96E2-4D40-B92F-ACDECC730639@gmail.com>
References: <eab19db50804090805p8a8d6f9o79fcf35213e54d70@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf835100804090810t49a68e20w51e3c8ad016bfb72@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E68B584-96E2-4D40-B92F-ACDECC730639@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c70065a40804091002o1bdeff2m69153354570dd936@mail.gmail.com>

Have you all seen this cute little starbucks+wifi prank that improv
everwhere pulled?

http://improveverywhere.com/2008/02/25/mobile-desktop/

dory

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:41 AM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> afaik SUX is under a contract with hotspot. my guess is they have little say
> in how its doled out. but that said, let's see if WT can expidite that
> process .  muhahaha.
>
> =j
>
>
>
>
> On 9-Apr-08, at 11:10 AM, "Edward Nixon, EN Consulting"
> <edward at enconsulting.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Ex-WT guy admits to paying for it!
>
> Yes I do pay for it at Starbucks. Because I need it and downtown I find
> increasingly that even open nodes are too weak or there's too much spill
> over, and increasingly open nodes are locking up. So yes I do (and OneZone
> is simply not an option and hey it's the same price). At least the Starbucks
> Bell Hotspots work 99% of the time.
>
> Of course free-to-the-end-user is the gold standard and like air
> conditioning one day soon it will simply be something that is supplied.
>
> Edward
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Hanna <cho.hanna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > interesting...SBUX (in the US, not sure about Canada) is set to offer free
> wifi (2hrs) to its customers.
> >
> > according to their new 'idea' blog
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Back in February we announced that we're switching to AT&T as our Wi-Fi
> provider in our U.S. company-operated stores. As Brad Stevens mentioned in
> his post on March 24, we're thrilled to be rolling out two hours of
> complimentary Wi-Fi service for customers who have a registered Starbucks
> Card. It'll be simple to sign up. All you have to do is:
> > >
> > > Register a Starbucks Card
> > > Sign up for an AT&T Wi-Fi account (and limited ATT marketing)
> > > Come to Starbucks and login
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To keep your newly created Wi-Fi account "active" you'll need to make a
> purchase with your registered Starbucks Card or add additional funds to it
> within the prior 30 days of logging on. We feel that the complimentary two
> hours is a meaningful amount of time and a fantastic way to reward Starbucks
> Card holders.
> > >
> > > We have customers with a variety of needs?some want to come in and read,
> some want to chat with a friend and others want to use Wi-Fi. Starbucks
> means different things to different people and the two-hour limit helps
> balance the many needs of our customers so that everyone can enjoy spending
> time at Starbucks. This service will be available to all customers
> nationwide later this spring.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > hanna
> >
> > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> > http://urban.blogs.com/seoul/
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Edward Nixon
> EN Consulting
> @ Centre for Social Innovation
> 215 Spadina Aven
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
>  wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>  wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>


From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 12:26:01 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:26:01 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] re: free wifi@ SBUX/improv everywhere
Message-ID: <eab19db50804100926w789ae7c0tef13051156a4ed6d@mail.gmail.com>

hilarious.

i especially liked:



The most common reaction surprised us: people assumed that they were public
machines put there by Starbucks. As Agent Casey went to pick up his coffee
order, a man sat down at his computer.

Agent Casey had to repeat, "this is mine," several times before the guy
understood what he meant. He got up, and then proceeded to ask a nearby
woman if he could use her laptop.



=============

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:02:36 -0400
From: "dory kornfeld" <dory.kornfeld at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] free wifi @ Starbucks
To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
Message-ID:
       <c70065a40804091002o1bdeff2m69153354570dd936 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252

Have you all seen this cute little starbucks+wifi prank that improv
everwhere pulled?

http://improveverywhere.com/2008/02/25/mobile-desktop/

dory

-- 
hanna

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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 17:48:43 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:48:43 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] SF BART transit to offer free WIFI
Message-ID: <eab19db50804101448g7948c128u9689218c057da6a9@mail.gmail.com>

another interesting development in the world of wifi...

it's not cheap though!  i can't imagine if it's worth it to commuters.  it
flogs the usual pitch about 'increased productivity' and convenience... but
really, who's going to videoconference on the commuter train?  personally, i
read and nap when i commute. =)

http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/847624.html

A Gold River startup company is on the verge of a breakthrough deal with the
BART system to provide lightning-fast Internet connections for thousands of
daily commuters.

Even while zipping along beneath San Francisco Bay.

*WiFi Rail Inc.* has been testing its system on various Bay Area Rapid
Transit routes for the past several months.

Users would pay about $30 per month (or $10.95 daily) to access the system,
which delivers data at a blazing 15 megabits per second ? about 10 times
faster than standard DSL.

By connecting seamlessly to Wi-Fi access points deployed along the track,
customers could even do video and audio conferencing ? something impossible
with existing Internet hook-ups via cellular, Lee says. Or consumers could
download an iTunes movie, he says, that "immediately starts playing, without
any hiccups."



-- 
hanna

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From gabe at pwd.ca  Fri Apr 11 15:03:10 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:03:10 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bisf-vol=5D_ZA?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?P_Qu=E9bec_re=E7oit_du_financement?=
In-Reply-To: <9e8cbed20804091401x5399cd81haea4d28bfbaa9b3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9e8cbed20804091401x5399cd81haea4d28bfbaa9b3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804111203y153b02dfw9d59d3203476c0ec@mail.gmail.com>

$170,000 for the deployment of 200 hotspots in Quebec City by the end of the
year... (up from 84 now).

They're not paying for connectivity: each venue must share their existing
net connection, and pay the $50 annual fee ($200 for institutions and large
public venues).  The money is just for operations... seed funding,
essentially, since once they hit 200 hotspots the network will be
financially self-sustaining.

The money came from 4 different sources.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: d drouet <drouetd at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Subject: [isf-vol] ZAP Qu?bec re?oit du financement
To: Volontaires Ile sans Fil <volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org>


Pour ceux qui ne l'aurait pas vu, j'inclus un lien vers l'article du Soleil:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080404/CPSOLEIL/80404201/5019/CPSOLEIL

Bravo ? nos confr?res et consoeurs de Qu?bec.

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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 12:02:56 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:02:56 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] volunteer meeting tonight - reminder
Message-ID: <eab19db50804140902o48b47eb2wede555e751cdffa7@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

just a quick reminder about tonight's volunteer meeting...

215 Spadina Ave.
1st Floor
Centre for Social Innovation
6 PM

if you can't make the meeting, drop by and say hello over post-meeting
drinks,
Embassy Bar (Kensington Market)
223 Augusta
*after 8pm.

-- 
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Mon Apr 14 15:09:27 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:09:27 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] $25 million over the next five years to
	"community wireless" in the US
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804141209g3beb0306t2219d7f3174d78b0@mail.gmail.com>

This press release doesn't give enough info for me to understand
what's going on, but it sounds like an interesting hybrid model.
-Gabe

----

http://www.fiercewireless.com/press-releases/national-knight-center-will-help-communities-provide-access-digital-town-square-their?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal

National Knight Center Will Help Communities Provide Access to the
Digital Town Square for Their Citizens


AKRON, Ohio ? A new national center here will help communities ensure
that their citizens can take advantage of social, civic and economic
opportunities by accessing the digital town square of the 21st
century.

 The project is funded by a first-year, $4.5 million grant from the
John S. and James L. Knight Foundation to OneCommunity, an acclaimed
expert in helping communities create sustainable universal access.
Knight has pledged up to $25 million over the next five years to
accelerate digital access projects in the 26 U.S. communities where
the Knight brothers owned newspapers.

 The nonprofit Knight Center of Digital Excellence will collect and
share international best practices online with communities everywhere.
It will provide on-the-ground aid to the Knight communities to develop
technology strategies and enable citizens to connect with each other
and the world. Knight's initiative includes a $10 million Digital
Opportunity fund offering challenge grants to Knight communities.

Akron is the national center's headquarters and the first community to
benefit from a grant: $625,000 for a wireless universal access
corridor that will leverage OneCommunity's regional fiber-optic
network. The corridor will cover eight to twelve square miles,
including downtown, and cost about $2.2 million to design and deploy.

OneCommunity will implement the corridor in a public-private
partnership. Akron Mayor Donald L. Plusquellic has signed a memorandum
of understanding with OneCommunity and will recommend that City
Council approve a five-year commitment of about $800,000 toward the
design, deployment, and operation of the network.

"Universal access will improve the quality of life, create new
economic opportunities for Akron's citizens, enhance health and
education, improve public safety, and drive economic development,"
said Plusquellic. "With this public-private partnership, the City of
Akron will serve as a role model for communities around the country.
We are proud to be the home of this national Center of Digital
Excellence and to be the first community to benefit from Knight's
commitment to universal access."

"More and more in a global economy we conduct our civic, business and
social activities online," said Paula Ellis, Knight Foundation's vice
president of strategic initiatives. "In every city and town it's
important to ensure that no one becomes a second-class citizen because
he or she does not have access. Enabling everybody to participate in
the digital age has the potential to transform communities."

The Knight Center will be staffed and operated by OneCommunity, a
nonprofit technology organization internationally recognized for its
leadership in deploying broadband infrastructure and applications.
OneCommunity President & CEO Scot Rourke was recently named
Intelligent Community Visionary of the Year for 2008 by the
Intelligent Community Forum (www.intelligentcommunity.org), a New
York-based think tank dedicated to studying economic growth in the
global broadband economy.

 "Our goal is to help ensure that communities develop effective
broadband and applications strategies that bring value to a community,
are widely adopted by all constituencies and are well positioned for
sustainability," says Rourke. "OneCommunity uses a unique,
collaborative approach that convenes key stakeholders from both the
public and private sectors ? including schools, libraries, hospitals,
universities, governments, and local technology companies."

 About Knight Foundation

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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 15:45:06 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:45:06 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Wi-Fi + Public Transit
Message-ID: <eab19db50804151245m165428f4y6d08cb4702ce0410@mail.gmail.com>

interesting piece...

*Wi-Fi on public transport is suddenly
hot*<http://www.muniwireless.com/applications/public-access/2008/04/13/public-transport-wifi-suddenly-hot/>

http://www.muniwireless.com/applications/public-access/2008/04/13/public-transport-wifi-suddenly-hot/

Esme writes about the sudden interest in and around the provision of Wi-Fi
on buses in the UK and by transit authorities in Montreal, Massachusetts,
Chattanooga, Nevada, and Stockholm ? emphasizing that Wi-Fi isn't just for
the passengers but also for the transit authorities' operations and the
safety of the bus drivers.
-- 
hanna

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://urban.blogs.com/seoul/
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Wed Apr 16 14:24:15 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:24:15 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>

We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning experience.
Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really slow... we
haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the load
average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).

Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's also
MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have anything to do
with it.

If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!

Gabe
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From Jon at Pounder.com  Wed Apr 16 14:50:07 2008
From: Jon at Pounder.com (Jon Pounder)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:50:07 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080416145007.3okgtskwf4gos0gw@webmail.relationalhost.com>

Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:

> We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning experience.
> Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really slow... we
> haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the load
> average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).
>
> Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's also
> MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have anything to do
> with it.
>
> If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!


make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.

if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop (windows)  
and connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine tune  
whatever you need on there.

also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and clean them out.

if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that which  
will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire there.


also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken, messages  
are addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive so  
replying if you have multiple email accounts is broken.


>
> Gabe
>





Jon Pounder




From janes.rob at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 15:39:10 2008
From: janes.rob at gmail.com (Rob Janes)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:39:10 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
In-Reply-To: <20080416145007.3okgtskwf4gos0gw@webmail.relationalhost.com>
References: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080416145007.3okgtskwf4gos0gw@webmail.relationalhost.com>
Message-ID: <83eac04d0804161239q2d0df524n579951296b779f73@mail.gmail.com>

what does top say?

do you want me to log on to the box?

-rob

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:

> Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
>
>  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning experience.
> > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really slow...
> > we
> > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the load
> > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).
> >
> > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's also
> > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have anything to
> > do
> > with it.
> >
> > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
> >
>
>
> make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
>
> if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop (windows) and
> connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine tune whatever
> you need on there.
>
> also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and clean them
> out.
>
> if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that which will
> force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire there.
>
>
> also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken, messages are
> addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive so replying if
> you have multiple email accounts is broken.
>
>
>
> > Gabe
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Jon Pounder
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Wed Apr 16 15:59:44 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:59:44 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
In-Reply-To: <83eac04d0804161239q2d0df524n579951296b779f73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080416145007.3okgtskwf4gos0gw@webmail.relationalhost.com>
	<83eac04d0804161239q2d0df524n579951296b779f73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804161259h6fae986al85af1fcde49c9073@mail.gmail.com>

Top seems to indicate that the problem is with apache and postgres, but I
don't know what the numbers mean.  I took Jon's suggestion and ran a VACUUM
ANALYZE again (I thought I'd done several times before), and it cooled it
down a bunch... now the load avg is between 4 and 5.  That still strikes me
as high, but it's a lot better.  I'll keep an eye on it in the next few
days.

The machine had 638 days uptime until I rebooted it today, trying to
troubleshoot this.  (The reboot didn't help.)

Gabe


On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:

> what does top say?
>
> do you want me to log on to the box?
>
> -rob
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:
>
> > Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
> >
> >  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning
> > > experience.
> > > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really slow...
> > > we
> > > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the load
> > > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).
> > >
> > > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's
> > > also
> > > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have anything
> > > to do
> > > with it.
> > >
> > > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
> > >
> >
> >
> > make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
> >
> > if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop (windows) and
> > connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine tune whatever
> > you need on there.
> >
> > also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and clean
> > them out.
> >
> > if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that which
> > will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire there.
> >
> >
> > also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken, messages are
> > addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive so replying if
> > you have multiple email accounts is broken.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Gabe
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jon Pounder
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
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From janes.rob at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 16:22:43 2008
From: janes.rob at gmail.com (Rob Janes)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:22:43 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780804161259h6fae986al85af1fcde49c9073@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080416145007.3okgtskwf4gos0gw@webmail.relationalhost.com>
	<83eac04d0804161239q2d0df524n579951296b779f73@mail.gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804161259h6fae986al85af1fcde49c9073@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83eac04d0804161322x593aac69m43eeab7b6ca461c1@mail.gmail.com>

did you do vacuumdb -full, or VACUUM FULL;  that frees up empty deleted
records.  it won't speed up queries, which may be the problem.  VACUUM FULL
and vacuumdb -full lock tables, so there will be an outage when you do
this.  best to do it early in the morning.

however, that apache is busy too suggests something akin to a dos.  check
the apache logs.

-rob

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> Top seems to indicate that the problem is with apache and postgres, but I
> don't know what the numbers mean.  I took Jon's suggestion and ran a VACUUM
> ANALYZE again (I thought I'd done several times before), and it cooled it
> down a bunch... now the load avg is between 4 and 5.  That still strikes me
> as high, but it's a lot better.  I'll keep an eye on it in the next few
> days.
>
> The machine had 638 days uptime until I rebooted it today, trying to
> troubleshoot this.  (The reboot didn't help.)
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > what does top say?
> >
> > do you want me to log on to the box?
> >
> > -rob
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
> > >
> > >  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning
> > > > experience.
> > > > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really
> > > > slow... we
> > > > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the
> > > > load
> > > > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).
> > > >
> > > > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's
> > > > also
> > > > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have
> > > > anything to do
> > > > with it.
> > > >
> > > > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
> > >
> > > if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop (windows)
> > > and connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine tune
> > > whatever you need on there.
> > >
> > > also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and clean
> > > them out.
> > >
> > > if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that which
> > > will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire there.
> > >
> > >
> > > also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken, messages
> > > are addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive so
> > > replying if you have multiple email accounts is broken.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gabe
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon Pounder
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > >
> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
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From Jon at Pounder.com  Wed Apr 16 16:38:07 2008
From: Jon at Pounder.com (Jon Pounder)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:38:07 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
In-Reply-To: <83eac04d0804161322x593aac69m43eeab7b6ca461c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
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	<95b1c3780804161259h6fae986al85af1fcde49c9073@mail.gmail.com>
	<83eac04d0804161322x593aac69m43eeab7b6ca461c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080416163807.m9moauebcwggoc0s@webmail.relationalhost.com>

Quoting Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>:

> did you do vacuumdb -full, or VACUUM FULL;  that frees up empty deleted
> records.  it won't speed up queries, which may be the problem.  VACUUM FULL
> and vacuumdb -full lock tables, so there will be an outage when you do
> this.  best to do it early in the morning.

if there are tons dead rows it does speed things up significantly  
since the live rows fit into far less physical pages on disk so net  
result you reduced the disk reads needed to do a given amount of work.

make sure you have it on automatic though and then you don't have to  
remember to do it.

apache could also be showing busy depending how efficient the waits  
are on postgres in the particular postgres client driver you are  
using. apache and pg could also be competing for disk read bandwidth  
and both waiting on that when pg is doing something intense.

I kind of got into this group late so not sure what the auth server is  
actually using, but if its not a tried and tested system, its possible  
it needs some indexes to fix access speed on tables that started out  
small and now are huge.



>
> however, that apache is busy too suggests something akin to a dos.  check
> the apache logs.
>
> -rob
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
>> Top seems to indicate that the problem is with apache and postgres, but I
>> don't know what the numbers mean.  I took Jon's suggestion and ran a VACUUM
>> ANALYZE again (I thought I'd done several times before), and it cooled it
>> down a bunch... now the load avg is between 4 and 5.  That still strikes me
>> as high, but it's a lot better.  I'll keep an eye on it in the next few
>> days.
>>
>> The machine had 638 days uptime until I rebooted it today, trying to
>> troubleshoot this.  (The reboot didn't help.)
>>
>> Gabe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > what does top say?
>> >
>> > do you want me to log on to the box?
>> >
>> > -rob
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
>> > >
>> > >  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning
>> > > > experience.
>> > > > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really
>> > > > slow... we
>> > > > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the
>> > > > load
>> > > > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and 12(!).
>> > > >
>> > > > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.  There's
>> > > > also
>> > > > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have
>> > > > anything to do
>> > > > with it.
>> > > >
>> > > > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
>> > >
>> > > if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop (windows)
>> > > and connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine tune
>> > > whatever you need on there.
>> > >
>> > > also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and clean
>> > > them out.
>> > >
>> > > if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that which
>> > > will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire there.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken, messages
>> > > are addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive so
>> > > replying if you have multiple email accounts is broken.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Gabe
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Jon Pounder
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> > >
>> > >   
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> >
>> >   
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>> >
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>>
>





Jon Pounder




From janes.rob at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 16:48:31 2008
From: janes.rob at gmail.com (Rob Janes)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:48:31 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
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References: <95b1c3780804161124i26db0b1dg893fe1dfef7330f6@mail.gmail.com>
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the indexes should be setup already.  i don't think there's any tuning
needed there.  gabe will have followed the isf install script.

i'm thinking one of the nodes is sending too much heartbeat.  that's why i
suggested looking in the logs.

you could check the postgres logs.  postgres gets real busy when it flushes
it's logs, and it can bog down the machine.  it shouldn't be doing that very
often, it's a bursty thing.  gabe is saying the meter is pegged at 4 or so.
if postgres was busying up the system on it's own, due to a misconfiguration
or misbalancing of the database files and the log files, it would show low
load most of the time, then flipping over to some high number.

postgres can be set to log all sql that comes in.  in a more verbose mode it
could indicate what the problem is.

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:

> Quoting Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>:
>
>  did you do vacuumdb -full, or VACUUM FULL;  that frees up empty deleted
> > records.  it won't speed up queries, which may be the problem.  VACUUM
> > FULL
> > and vacuumdb -full lock tables, so there will be an outage when you do
> > this.  best to do it early in the morning.
> >
>
> if there are tons dead rows it does speed things up significantly since
> the live rows fit into far less physical pages on disk so net result you
> reduced the disk reads needed to do a given amount of work.
>
> make sure you have it on automatic though and then you don't have to
> remember to do it.
>
> apache could also be showing busy depending how efficient the waits are on
> postgres in the particular postgres client driver you are using. apache and
> pg could also be competing for disk read bandwidth and both waiting on that
> when pg is doing something intense.
>
> I kind of got into this group late so not sure what the auth server is
> actually using, but if its not a tried and tested system, its possible it
> needs some indexes to fix access speed on tables that started out small and
> now are huge.
>
>
>
>
>
> > however, that apache is busy too suggests something akin to a dos.
> >  check
> > the apache logs.
> >
> > -rob
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> >
> >  Top seems to indicate that the problem is with apache and postgres, but
> > > I
> > > don't know what the numbers mean.  I took Jon's suggestion and ran a
> > > VACUUM
> > > ANALYZE again (I thought I'd done several times before), and it cooled
> > > it
> > > down a bunch... now the load avg is between 4 and 5.  That still
> > > strikes me
> > > as high, but it's a lot better.  I'll keep an eye on it in the next
> > > few
> > > days.
> > >
> > > The machine had 638 days uptime until I rebooted it today, trying to
> > > troubleshoot this.  (The reboot didn't help.)
> > >
> > > Gabe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > what does top say?
> > > >
> > > > do you want me to log on to the box?
> > > >
> > > > -rob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
> > > > >
> > > > >  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning
> > > > > > experience.
> > > > > > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really
> > > > > > slow... we
> > > > > > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the
> > > > > > load
> > > > > > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and
> > > 12(!).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.
> > >  There's
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have
> > > > > > anything to do
> > > > > > with it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
> > > > >
> > > > > if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop
> > > (windows)
> > > > > and connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine
> > > tune
> > > > > whatever you need on there.
> > > > >
> > > > > also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and
> > > clean
> > > > > them out.
> > > > >
> > > > > if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that
> > > which
> > > > > will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire
> > > there.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken,
> > > messages
> > > > > are addressed to the list rather than the person when they arrive
> > > so
> > > > > replying if you have multiple email accounts is broken.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gabe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon Pounder
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Jon Pounder
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From walkah at walkah.net  Wed Apr 16 17:54:38 2008
From: walkah at walkah.net (James Walker)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:54:38 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] tech help needed!
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If apache is creating load - it might be the PHP execution - I'd  
recommend installing APC (a PHP opcode cache) to help alleviate any  
PHP overhead being incurred. I don't know the auth system well, but  
it's typically a big, easy win for PHP-based apps.

more info here : http://pecl.php.net/package/APC

Cheers,
j

On 16-Apr-08, at 4:48 PM, Rob Janes wrote:
> the indexes should be setup already.  i don't think there's any  
> tuning needed there.  gabe will have followed the isf install script.
>
> i'm thinking one of the nodes is sending too much heartbeat.  that's  
> why i suggested looking in the logs.
>
> you could check the postgres logs.  postgres gets real busy when it  
> flushes it's logs, and it can bog down the machine.  it shouldn't be  
> doing that very often, it's a bursty thing.  gabe is saying the  
> meter is pegged at 4 or so.  if postgres was busying up the system  
> on it's own, due to a misconfiguration or misbalancing of the  
> database files and the log files, it would show low load most of the  
> time, then flipping over to some high number.
>
> postgres can be set to log all sql that comes in.  in a more verbose  
> mode it could indicate what the problem is.
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com> wrote:
> Quoting Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>:
>
> did you do vacuumdb -full, or VACUUM FULL;  that frees up empty  
> deleted
> records.  it won't speed up queries, which may be the problem.   
> VACUUM FULL
> and vacuumdb -full lock tables, so there will be an outage when you do
> this.  best to do it early in the morning.
>
> if there are tons dead rows it does speed things up significantly  
> since the live rows fit into far less physical pages on disk so net  
> result you reduced the disk reads needed to do a given amount of work.
>
> make sure you have it on automatic though and then you don't have to  
> remember to do it.
>
> apache could also be showing busy depending how efficient the waits  
> are on postgres in the particular postgres client driver you are  
> using. apache and pg could also be competing for disk read bandwidth  
> and both waiting on that when pg is doing something intense.
>
> I kind of got into this group late so not sure what the auth server  
> is actually using, but if its not a tried and tested system, its  
> possible it needs some indexes to fix access speed on tables that  
> started out small and now are huge.
>
>
>
>
>
> however, that apache is busy too suggests something akin to a dos.   
> check
> the apache logs.
>
> -rob
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
> Top seems to indicate that the problem is with apache and postgres,  
> but I
> don't know what the numbers mean.  I took Jon's suggestion and ran a  
> VACUUM
> ANALYZE again (I thought I'd done several times before), and it  
> cooled it
> down a bunch... now the load avg is between 4 and 5.  That still  
> strikes me
> as high, but it's a lot better.  I'll keep an eye on it in the next  
> few
> days.
>
> The machine had 638 days uptime until I rebooted it today, trying to
> troubleshoot this.  (The reboot didn't help.)
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
> > what does top say?
> >
> > do you want me to log on to the box?
> >
> > -rob
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jon Pounder <Jon at pounder.com>  
> wrote:
> >
> > > Quoting Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>:
> > >
> > >  We need some help from someone with Linux performance tuning
> > > > experience.
> > > > Our auth server in the past few months has been getting really
> > > > slow... we
> > > > haven't been asking it to do any more work, but while before the
> > > > load
> > > > average sat around 1.1, now it's almost always between 6 and  
> 12(!).
> > > >
> > > > Basically we're talking about Apache, PHP5 and Postgresql.   
> There's
> > > > also
> > > > MySQL and Mailman running on the box, but I doubt those have
> > > > anything to do
> > > > with it.
> > > >
> > > > If you've done stuff like this before, please get in touch!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > make sure postgres is configured to autovacuum tables.
> > >
> > > if you don't have it, install pgadmin on your own desktop  
> (windows)
> > > and connect to the pg db as the postgres user, then you can fine  
> tune
> > > whatever you need on there.
> > >
> > > also look for any log files that have just gotten massive, and  
> clean
> > > them out.
> > >
> > > if its not been rebooted in a while (like months), also do that  
> which
> > > will force a check of the drives in case anything is haywire  
> there.
> > >
> > >
> > > also - btw, the listserver for this mailing list is broken,  
> messages
> > > are addressed to the list rather than the person when they  
> arrive so
> > > replying if you have multiple email accounts is broken.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gabe
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon Pounder
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > >
> > >  http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> >  http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon Pounder
>
>
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 10:58:53 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:58:53 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
Message-ID: <0C193B70-30E4-4792-8437-13176CAA1D4F@gmail.com>

anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .  
sunday?

=j



From nkovats at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 11:51:29 2008
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:51:29 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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What do you have in mind, J?

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:

> anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
> sunday?
>
> =j
>
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 13:09:52 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:09:52 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying  
around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few  
open meshes and test the following Sunday instead.


=j


On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:

> What do you have in mind, J?
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .  
> sunday?
>
> =j
>
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From janes.rob at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 13:16:49 2008
From: janes.rob at gmail.com (Rob Janes)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:16:49 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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i wanted to give batman a try

https://www.open-mesh.net/batman


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:

> testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying around.
> does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open meshes and
> test the following Sunday instead.
>
>
> =j
>
> On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What do you have in mind, J?
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
> > sunday?
> >
> > =j
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
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From nkovats at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 13:57:07 2008
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:57:07 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Mesh, mesh and more meshing about.
Message-ID: <7b6a82ad0804181057h16279135rd199ad0e19081515@mail.gmail.com>

One single radio + antenna per Meraki if used as a single default gateway
(e.g. internet) will have a hard time "servicing" multiple  simultaneous
requests from multiple single radio Meraki nodes.

I second a test of the batman routing protocol but with multiple radio
boxes, e.g. openwrt/batman w/ 2-3 radios per embedded Linux box, i.e.

1. Each node would utilize two radios dedicated to lets say a backhaul 802.a
5.0 GHZ link (directional antennas)  +  one 802.n or 802.g radio servicing
local wireless clients with a mimo or omnidirectional antenna.

But the first backhaul radio could aim at the default gateway whilst the
second backhaul radio could aim at the next mesh node. They could be daisy
chained repeatedly without the crappy throughput dropping by 1/2  in the
more common WDS "meshes" that now exist.

2. Multiple Internet gateways could be utilized in this type of mesh and the
batman routing protocol will intelligently route a clients request to it's
nearest "default" internet gateway. With minimal overhead. The masses could
really  start "sharing" their multiple gateway connections.

3. You could potentially  "aggregate" the multiple internet gateway to
increase throughput in parts of your mesh.

4. Keep in mind spectrum, bandwidth, throughput are precious as they exist
in the reality of community mesh. You could intelligently and
"democratically" allocate bandwidth per application with simple traffic
engineering as opposed to the Evil Rogers Methodology of deep packet
inspection and throttling back your apps according to their corporate
agenda.

5. People tend to imagine mesh with movement of the wireless nodes. That is
very difficult to do in terms of seamless handoffs. The military is very
interested in a true mobile mesh but it would amazing for the WT wireless
mobile nodes knapsack idea.

6. A more practical approach are fixed wireless mesh nodes as per the above
description.

Let 'er rip..

NK

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:

> testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying around.
> does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open meshes and
> test the following Sunday instead.
>
>
> =j
>
> On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What do you have in mind, J?
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
> > sunday?
> >
> > =j
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Fri Apr 18 14:15:12 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:15:12 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.

It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and see what
they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)  If you
want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If you're
going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document everything you
do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>

Gabe


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:

> i wanted to give batman a try
>
> https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying
> > around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open
> > meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> >
> >
> > =j
> >
> > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What do you have in mind, J?
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
> > > sunday?
> > >
> > > =j
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
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> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > >
> >
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From nkovats at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 14:24:21 2008
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:24:21 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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Hi Gabe.

Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin (which is
a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual test of the
robin mesh capabilities.

Can the density of Merakis be increased?

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
> miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
> Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
>
> It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and see
> what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)  If
> you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
> you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
> everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > i wanted to give batman a try
> >
> > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying
> > > around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open
> > > meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > >
> > >
> > > =j
> > >
> > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
> > > > sunday?
> > > >
> > > > =j
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Fri Apr 18 14:28:10 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:28:10 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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The density of nodes can be increased if someone increases the density of
cash in my wallet.

3 nodes is adequate for the use cases which we discussed at the volunteer
meeting this week.  Let's start somewhere, eh?

Gabe


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Gabe.
>
> Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin (which
> is a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual test of
> the robin mesh capabilities.
>
> Can the density of Merakis be increased?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
> > I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
> > miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
> > Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
> >
> > It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and see
> > what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)  If
> > you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
> > you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
> > everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > i wanted to give batman a try
> > >
> > > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying
> > > > around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open
> > > > meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =j
> > > >
> > > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend
> > > > > . sunday?
> > > > >
> > > > > =j
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
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> > > >
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From nkovats at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 14:37:12 2008
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:37:12 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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Point taken.

How much is each node?

So your initial intention is to just establish, stabilize and wirelessly
link the  Robin/Meraki boxes?

If so all I am saying is that there is no real routing to speak of, i.e.

Node 1 = default gateway. Packet A from the internet hits the gateway and
has two routing choices Node 2 or Node 3 one hop away?

Or a slight variation, i.e. Node 1 --> Node 2 --> Node 3 ?

Regards,

NK

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> The density of nodes can be increased if someone increases the density of
> cash in my wallet.
>
> 3 nodes is adequate for the use cases which we discussed at the volunteer
> meeting this week.  Let's start somewhere, eh?
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Gabe.
> >
> > Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin (which
> > is a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual test of
> > the robin mesh capabilities.
> >
> > Can the density of Merakis be increased?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
> > > miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
> > > Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
> > >
> > > It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and see
> > > what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)  If
> > > you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
> > > you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
> > > everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
> > >
> > > Gabe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > i wanted to give batman a try
> > > >
> > > > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying
> > > > > around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open
> > > > > meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =j
> > > > >
> > > > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this
> > > > > > weekend . sunday?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =j
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > >
> > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > >
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Fri Apr 18 14:58:59 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:58:59 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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Initial intention: yup.

Price: US$40-50 + shipping + duty: see http://open-mesh.com

My primary interest is in building out the WT network.  If that takes fancy
routing, we'll learn some fancy routing.  But one step at a time.

Gabe


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:

> Point taken.
>
> How much is each node?
>
> So your initial intention is to just establish, stabilize and wirelessly
> link the  Robin/Meraki boxes?
>
> If so all I am saying is that there is no real routing to speak of, i.e.
>
> Node 1 = default gateway. Packet A from the internet hits the gateway and
> has two routing choices Node 2 or Node 3 one hop away?
>
> Or a slight variation, i.e. Node 1 --> Node 2 --> Node 3 ?
>
> Regards,
>
> NK
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
> > The density of nodes can be increased if someone increases the density
> > of cash in my wallet.
> >
> > 3 nodes is adequate for the use cases which we discussed at the
> > volunteer meeting this week.  Let's start somewhere, eh?
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Gabe.
> > >
> > > Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin
> > > (which is a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual
> > > test of the robin mesh capabilities.
> > >
> > > Can the density of Merakis be increased?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
> > > > miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
> > > > Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
> > > >
> > > > It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and
> > > > see what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)
> > > > If you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
> > > > you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
> > > > everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
> > > >
> > > > Gabe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > i wanted to give batman a try
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some
> > > > > > lying around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few
> > > > > > open meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =j
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this
> > > > > > > weekend . sunday?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > =j
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > >
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From jasonroks at gmail.com  Sat Apr 19 20:45:14 2008
From: jasonroks at gmail.com (jr)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:45:14 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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i'm up for doing this on  tues instead when gabe is available to documention
he wants. =)

some of my objectives are to get familiar with the hardware and evaluate if
it is a viable solution.
testing: distance. speed and reliability. set-up/flashing process. issues
passing thru to wifidog auth. etc.

I suspect that open-mesh will be the inevitable solution for WT but testing
meraki can't hurt/

so how's that? Gabe, Nicholas, David and Jason thus far?

Jason
-


On 18/04/2008, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
> Initial intention: yup.
>
> Price: US$40-50 + shipping + duty: see http://open-mesh.com
>
> My primary interest is in building out the WT network.  If that takes
> fancy routing, we'll learn some fancy routing.  But one step at a time.
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Point taken.
> >
> > How much is each node?
> >
> > So your initial intention is to just establish, stabilize and wirelessly
> > link the  Robin/Meraki boxes?
> >
> > If so all I am saying is that there is no real routing to speak of, i.e.
> >
> > Node 1 = default gateway. Packet A from the internet hits the gateway
> > and has two routing choices Node 2 or Node 3 one hop away?
> >
> > Or a slight variation, i.e. Node 1 --> Node 2 --> Node 3 ?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > NK
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The density of nodes can be increased if someone increases the density
> > > of cash in my wallet.
> > >
> > > 3 nodes is adequate for the use cases which we discussed at the
> > > volunteer meeting this week.  Let's start somewhere, eh?
> > >
> > > Gabe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Gabe.
> > > >
> > > > Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin
> > > > (which is a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual
> > > > test of the robin mesh capabilities.
> > > >
> > > > Can the density of Merakis be increased?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if
> > > > > I miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open
> > > > > on Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and
> > > > > see what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)
> > > > > If you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
> > > > > you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
> > > > > everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
> > > > >
> > > > > Gabe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > i wanted to give batman a try
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some
> > > > > > > lying around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few
> > > > > > > open meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > =j
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <
> > > > > > > nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks <<aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this
> > > > > > > > weekend . sunday?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > =j
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > > > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > >
> > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Sat Apr 19 20:56:19 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:56:19 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
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Works for me -- I'll keep Tuesday evening clear.


On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:45 PM, jr <jasonroks at gmail.com> wrote:

> i'm up for doing this on  tues instead when gabe is available to
> documention he wants. =)
>
> some of my objectives are to get familiar with the hardware and evaluate
> if it is a viable solution.
> testing: distance. speed and reliability. set-up/flashing process. issues
> passing thru to wifidog auth. etc.
>
> I suspect that open-mesh will be the inevitable solution for WT but
> testing meraki can't hurt/
>
> so how's that? Gabe, Nicholas, David and Jason thus far?
>
> Jason
> -
>
>
>
> On 18/04/2008, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Initial intention: yup.
> >
> > Price: US$40-50 + shipping + duty: see http://open-mesh.com
> >
> > My primary interest is in building out the WT network.  If that takes
> > fancy routing, we'll learn some fancy routing.  But one step at a time.
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Point taken.
> > >
> > > How much is each node?
> > >
> > > So your initial intention is to just establish, stabilize and
> > > wirelessly link the  Robin/Meraki boxes?
> > >
> > > If so all I am saying is that there is no real routing to speak of,
> > > i.e.
> > >
> > > Node 1 = default gateway. Packet A from the internet hits the gateway
> > > and has two routing choices Node 2 or Node 3 one hop away?
> > >
> > > Or a slight variation, i.e. Node 1 --> Node 2 --> Node 3 ?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > NK
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The density of nodes can be increased if someone increases the
> > > > density of cash in my wallet.
> > > >
> > > > 3 nodes is adequate for the use cases which we discussed at the
> > > > volunteer meeting this week.  Let's start somewhere, eh?
> > > >
> > > > Gabe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Gabe.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin
> > > > > (which is a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual
> > > > > test of the robin mesh capabilities.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can the density of Merakis be increased?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday...
> > > > > > if I miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm
> > > > > > open on Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN,
> > > > > > and see what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton
> > > > > > boxes.)  If you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the
> > > > > > office.  If you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully
> > > > > > document everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gabe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > i wanted to give batman a try
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some
> > > > > > > > lying around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few
> > > > > > > > open meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > =j
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <
> > > > > > > > nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do you have in mind, J?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks <<aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this
> > > > > > > > > weekend . sunday?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > =j
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > > > >  <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>
> > > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > > > > <http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss>
> > > > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > > > > > > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> > > > > > > >
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 19:01:26 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:01:26 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
Message-ID: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>

I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based content  
we want on the access point landing pages.

I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners

1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?

2) news

3) classifieds

4) local businesses

5) housing

6) local community events and services

7) other?

=j



From gabe at pwd.ca  Sun Apr 20 21:56:54 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:56:54 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>

We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages

Gabe


On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based content we
> want on the access point landing pages.
>
> I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
>
> 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
>
> 2) news
>
> 3) classifieds
>
> 4) local businesses
>
> 5) housing
>
> 6) local community events and services
>
> 7) other?
>
> =j
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 23:47:44 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:47:44 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>

please post to list if ya can so we can discuss?

=j


On 20-Apr-08, at 9:56 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
> http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based  
> content we want on the access point landing pages.
>
> I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
>
> 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
>
> 2) news
>
> 3) classifieds
>
> 4) local businesses
>
> 5) housing
>
> 6) local community events and services
>
> 7) other?
>
> =j
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Apr 22 14:28:35 2008
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:28:35 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] outage
Message-ID: <95b1c3780804221128r24c32f7fg19a0b1d85698f49b@mail.gmail.com>

We had a major outage -- sometime yesterday the auth server crashed.  I've
spent today setting up another server to act as interim auth server while we
get the main one working again.

All essential systems should be back to normal now.  Only OpenVPN is still
down, because I haven't set up the new server for it yet.

Gabe
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 14:34:19 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:34:19 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] outage
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780804221128r24c32f7fg19a0b1d85698f49b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780804221128r24c32f7fg19a0b1d85698f49b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D8B6581-409A-4658-A091-81A587D8CFE4@gmail.com>

thanks a ton, gabe.

=j


On 22-Apr-08, at 2:28 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> We had a major outage -- sometime yesterday the auth server  
> crashed.  I've spent today setting up another server to act as  
> interim auth server while we get the main one working again.
>
> All essential systems should be back to normal now.  Only OpenVPN is  
> still down, because I haven't set up the new server for it yet.
>
> Gabe
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss


From dory.kornfeld at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 17:13:00 2008
From: dory.kornfeld at gmail.com (dory kornfeld)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:13:00 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
	<614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c70065a40804211413t556919beo7fca596a12a0f56c@mail.gmail.com>

Matt and I came up with a really good list of potential things at the
meeting the other day; I don't have time to write all about it
now--but when I get a chance (probably next monday) I will.

D

On 4/20/08, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> please post to list if ya can so we can discuss?
>
> =j
>
>
>
> On 20-Apr-08, at 9:56 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
>
> We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
> http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based content we
> want on the access point landing pages.
> >
> > I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
> >
> > 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
> >
> > 2) news
> >
> > 3) classifieds
> >
> > 4) local businesses
> >
> > 5) housing
> >
> > 6) local community events and services
> >
> > 7) other?
> >
> > =j
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>


From aneasyone at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 16:37:03 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:37:03 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <c70065a40804211413t556919beo7fca596a12a0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
	<614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>
	<c70065a40804211413t556919beo7fca596a12a0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1FAC5FF6-A21F-4FE6-8DF8-F83884F8CDF1@gmail.com>

does anyone want to take a crack at mocking something up in photoshop?
what it might look like.

the structure of wifidog is weblog block structure.

we have ideas on the wiki to start from and then we will have  
something to visualize and discuss further on list.

I see a map so far :)


=j


On 21-Apr-08, at 5:13 PM, "dory kornfeld" <dory.kornfeld at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Matt and I came up with a really good list of potential things at the
> meeting the other day; I don't have time to write all about it
> now--but when I get a chance (probably next monday) I will.
>
> D
>
> On 4/20/08, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> please post to list if ya can so we can discuss?
>>
>> =j
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20-Apr-08, at 9:56 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
>> http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages
>>
>> Gabe
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based  
>>> content we
>> want on the access point landing pages.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
>>>
>>> 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
>>>
>>> 2) news
>>>
>>> 3) classifieds
>>>
>>> 4) local businesses
>>>
>>> 5) housing
>>>
>>> 6) local community events and services
>>>
>>> 7) other?
>>>
>>> =j
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>>
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From tony at anthonyfsaad.com  Tue Apr 22 17:28:15 2008
From: tony at anthonyfsaad.com (Anthony F. Saad)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:28:15 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <1FAC5FF6-A21F-4FE6-8DF8-F83884F8CDF1@gmail.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
	<614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>
	<c70065a40804211413t556919beo7fca596a12a0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1FAC5FF6-A21F-4FE6-8DF8-F83884F8CDF1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC283CF1-DDE8-48F4-8ADB-848F7FA6707D@anthonyfsaad.com>

was thinking I could help with this....

went to the site - well at least tried to get there... but no one's  
home...?

5:27pm Tuesday

Unable to connect

Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at  
wirelesstoronto.ca.

     *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try  
again in a few
           moments.

     *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's  
network
           connection.

     *   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or  
proxy, make sure
           that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

T




On 22-Apr-08, at 4:37 PM, j.roks wrote:

> does anyone want to take a crack at mocking something up in photoshop?
> what it might look like.
>
> the structure of wifidog is weblog block structure.
>
> we have ideas on the wiki to start from and then we will have
> something to visualize and discuss further on list.
>
> I see a map so far :)
>
>
> =j
>
>
> On 21-Apr-08, at 5:13 PM, "dory kornfeld" <dory.kornfeld at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Matt and I came up with a really good list of potential things at the
>> meeting the other day; I don't have time to write all about it
>> now--but when I get a chance (probably next monday) I will.
>>
>> D
>>
>> On 4/20/08, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> please post to list if ya can so we can discuss?
>>>
>>> =j
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20-Apr-08, at 9:56 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
>>> http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages
>>>
>>> Gabe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based
>>>> content we
>>> want on the access point landing pages.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
>>>>
>>>> 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
>>>>
>>>> 2) news
>>>>
>>>> 3) classifieds
>>>>
>>>> 4) local businesses
>>>>
>>>> 5) housing
>>>>
>>>> 6) local community events and services
>>>>
>>>> 7) other?
>>>>
>>>> =j
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>>>
>>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss
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> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
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+1.416.466.3205
http://anthonyfsaad.com
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From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca  Tue Apr 22 18:21:05 2008
From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:21:05 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] landing page content
In-Reply-To: <AC283CF1-DDE8-48F4-8ADB-848F7FA6707D@anthonyfsaad.com>
References: <CCAD7DE8-A376-4AF4-B442-49BB3EB97BF6@gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804201856w111cb01dse3db5e639553fde5@mail.gmail.com>
	<614C8CBA-6836-494C-AE93-5324A04D94C1@gmail.com>
	<c70065a40804211413t556919beo7fca596a12a0f56c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1FAC5FF6-A21F-4FE6-8DF8-F83884F8CDF1@gmail.com>
	<AC283CF1-DDE8-48F4-8ADB-848F7FA6707D@anthonyfsaad.com>
Message-ID: <ff82f7880804221521y4e78292ewb682ced5c4bc44d5@mail.gmail.com>

it should be back up when the DNS resolves some changes made this morning?
soon. =)

Jason
-

On 22/04/2008, Anthony F. Saad <tony at anthonyfsaad.com> wrote:
>
> was thinking I could help with this....
> went to the site - well at least tried to get there... but no one's
> home...?
>
> 5:27pm Tuesday
>
> Unable to connect
>
> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at wirelesstoronto.ca.
>
>     *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again
> in a few
>           moments.
>
>     *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
>           connection.
>
>     *   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy,
> make sure
>           that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
>
> T
>
>
>
>
> On 22-Apr-08, at 4:37 PM, j.roks wrote:
>
> does anyone want to take a crack at mocking something up in photoshop?
> what it might look like.
>
> the structure of wifidog is weblog block structure.
>
> we have ideas on the wiki to start from and then we will have
> something to visualize and discuss further on list.
>
> I see a map so far :)
>
>
> =j
>
>
> On 21-Apr-08, at 5:13 PM, "dory kornfeld" <dory.kornfeld at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Matt and I came up with a really good list of potential things at the
> meeting the other day; I don't have time to write all about it
> now--but when I get a chance (probably next monday) I will.
>
> D
>
> On 4/20/08, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> please post to list if ya can so we can discuss?
>
> =j
>
>
>
> On 20-Apr-08, at 9:56 PM, "Gabe Sawhney" <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
>
> We made a list a while ago which I've been periodically adding to:
> http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/portal_pages
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to throw this out to the list on what location-based
> content we
>
> want on the access point landing pages.
>
>
> I'm looking for content types and potential branded partners
>
> 1) map - anyone familiar with google or M$ maps API?
>
> 2) news
>
> 3) classifieds
>
> 4) local businesses
>
> 5) housing
>
> 6) local community events and services
>
> 7) other?
>
> =j
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>
> Anthony F. Saad
> +1.416.466.3205
> http://anthonyfsaad.com
> http://nthdgr.org
> -----
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Wed Apr 23 14:39:02 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (rancid franklin)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:39:02 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] meshie meshie testie
Message-ID: <4328971E-1115-4BB3-BC1D-73A62B3CD75B@gmail.com>

it appears flashing meraki with merhacki was successful. =j

I'm picking up from csi and will be doing some tests aboot town. queen  
west in da rain.

anyone who wishes to join me can simply email meshiemeshie at digitalpeasants.com

wish me/us luck.

thunder!!!


From aneasyone at gmail.com  Wed Apr 23 16:01:16 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:01:16 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WirelessToronto Spring Volunteer
	Meetup
Message-ID: <7A5B4AF7-DD10-4BB0-A23C-28D9642E43D2@gmail.com>

Hi all,

First of all, I wanted to thank everyone who came out to the spring  
volunteer meetup last week.

I was pleased to see the familiar faces and new ones. Somehow we  
jammed everyone into that small meeting room and accomplished more  
than we could have hoped for.

In the next couple weeks we will be announcing some projects on this  
mail list that came out of the volunteer sessions.

please keep an eye out for the areas that interest you and contact the  
project leader indicated on each project announcement.

some upcoming projects will include:
-venue sprint.
-WT 3rd yr anniversary event.
-local content portal design/build.
-sponsorship/funding campaign.
-mesh testing and research.

we also have openings for volunteers to lead or assist with managing  
some of these initiatives. please shout out on the list if you have  
time and interest to get involved.

I look forward to seeing you all again soon and a fantastic year for  
WirelessToronto and community wifi overall.

Jason
=j



From mburpee at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 10:08:33 2008
From: mburpee at gmail.com (Matthew Burpee)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:08:33 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] wirelesstoronto-discuss Digest, Vol 42,
	Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1208899699.9601.wirelesstoronto-discuss@wirelesstoronto.ca>
References: <mailman.23.1208899699.9601.wirelesstoronto-discuss@wirelesstoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <3210194f0804240708k514c1dd0se591a74f2fba67db@mail.gmail.com>

Portal Page: The wiki has been updated with some portal page ideas Dory and
I discussed at the last volunteer meeting. Please add to this, for example
with sponsorship features on the portal.

Matthew
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From cho.hanna at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 13:36:16 2008
From: cho.hanna at gmail.com (Hanna)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:36:16 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] April 28 - communications/outreach
	planning meeting
Message-ID: <eab19db50804241036r563059cetb82b61b2c2716d35@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

after lots of great ideas at the Spring Volunteer meeting, re: Wireless
Toronto  communications and outreach (i.e. May Venue Sprint), it's time to
have that all-important followup meeting.  Those of you who said you were
interested in helping out in these areas, please do join us!

As for the May Venue Sprint, it is set to take place between May 22-25, and
culminate in WTs 3rd anniversary party.  And, we're hoping the party can be
held at a new hotspot!!!

So if you're interested in helping out in terms of press, planning, and
pitchkit revamping, we'd love to see you at this next meeting, Monday April
28.

meeting time - 6pm
meeting place - tbd (suggestions?)



-- 
hanna

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From aa175 at torfree.net  Thu Apr 24 18:41:03 2008
From: aa175 at torfree.net (Ken McCracken)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:41:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] mesh tests
In-Reply-To: <7b6a82ad0804181124v1ace20b2x21e0980d482eb4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0C193B70-30E4-4792-8437-13176CAA1D4F@gmail.com>
	<7b6a82ad0804180851o2adbeef2u49c7fe6d2ae7eed4@mail.gmail.com>
	<5BD38259-E567-45FD-BBFF-50E45BD277EB@gmail.com>
	<83eac04d0804181016y9f4f22ft8d19a620c5b19282@mail.gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780804181115g2f9d1b55lb34ec28f3aeb0436@mail.gmail.com>
	<7b6a82ad0804181124v1ace20b2x21e0980d482eb4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080424183801.F78476@sheppard.torfree.net>

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, Nicholas Kovats wrote:

> Hi Gabe.
>
> Not to damper anyone enthusiasm but only 3 Merakis nodes w/ robin (which is
> a branch of the batman mesh routing protocol) is not an actual test of the
> robin mesh capabilities.
>
> Can the density of Merakis be increased?
>

Toronto Free-Net has some pre-EULA Meraki units we can lend to the 
prototyping efforts. How many do you need?

Ken


> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to be marking my students' assignments this Sunday... if I
>> miraculously finish early, I'll be able to come meet you guys.  I'm open on
>> Monday and Tuesday evening, if those are options instead.
>>
>> It would be wicked to get my three Merakis flashed with ROBIN, and see
>> what they can do.  (In the future, we'll get open-mesh Accton boxes.)  If
>> you want 'em, let me know who/when will pick 'em up from the office.  If
>> you're going to do it without me, I *insist* that you fully document
>> everything you do, and put it on the wiki.  <smile>
>>
>> Gabe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Rob Janes <janes.rob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i wanted to give batman a try
>>>
>>> https://www.open-mesh.net/batman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, j.roks <aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> testing range and repeat with meraki. I think gabe has some lying
>>>> around. does anyone have an openmesh box? maybe WT can order a few open
>>>> meshes and test the following Sunday instead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =j
>>>>
>>>> On 18-Apr-08, at 11:51 AM, "Nicholas Kovats" <nkovats at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What do you have in mind, J?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, j.roks < <aneasyone at gmail.com>
>>>> aneasyone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> anyone up for testing mesh distance ranges some time this weekend .
>>>>> sunday?
>>>>>
>>>>> =j
>>>>>
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 18:53:44 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:53:44 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Wireless Toronto Spring Volunteer
	Meetup
Message-ID: <6C26F6C0-9CE1-4FC6-8A94-442CEED69E29@gmail.com>

glad to hear your up to meshing it up. there will be another volunteer  
meeting soon enough.

re: mesh tests- gabe and I are planning to test again this weekend.  
keep an eye here on the list for day/time of meshie meshie.

for bg info read up on open-mesh.com ,  freethenet.ca and wifidog.org

re: venue sprint- a venue sprint is an awareness campaign to local  
businesses and services. please check in with hanna at wirelessToronto.ca  
for more details.

maybe see u this weekend...

Jason

=j


On 25-Apr-08, at 12:52 AM, "luanne winchiu" <lwinchiu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> I never made it out to the first meeting but am still interested in  
> joining. I'm just throwing my hand up to volunteer for the mesh  
> testing and research. I am no expert but would like to contribute  
> some time to learning more about it.  Also, what is a venue sprint?
>
> Cheers!
> Luanne
>
>
>
> Mark Kuznicki   	
> View profile
>  More options Apr 23, 4:31 pm
> From: Mark Kuznicki <mark.kuznicki at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:31:17 -0400
> Local: Wed, Apr 23 2008 4:31 pm
> Subject: Fwd: WirelessToronto Spring Volunteer Meetup
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> For those of who don't know, our favourite local wifi heroes
> WirelessToronto are taking a new direction and initiating a major
> build-out effort.
>
>  From its amazing yet humble beginnings as an all-volunteer club with
> no funding, WT is changing direction in order to become a sustainable,
> scalable non-profit social enterprise and thereby increase its
> organizational capacity to deliver wifi to the people.  This means us.
>
> The group is currently working on its roadmap for the future, so lots
> is yet undefined, but I'm really excited by this new energy and I'm
> looking forward to seeing how things develop.
>
> If you're interested, you should join the Wireless Toronto email
> list:  http://wirelesstoronto.ca/wt_involved.php and raise your hand
> if you've got mad skilz in any of the areas outlined below.
>
> Mark Kuznicki
> http://remarkk.com/
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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> > From: "j.roks" <aneasyone at gmail.com>
> > Date: April 23, 2008 4:01:16 PM GMT-04:00
> > To: "wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca" <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > Subject: Re: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WirelessToronto Spring
> > Volunteer Meetup
> > Reply-To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> > Hi all,
>
> > First of all, I wanted to thank everyone who came out to the spring
> > volunteer meetup last week.
>
> > I was pleased to see the familiar faces and new ones. Somehow we
> > jammed everyone into that small meeting room and accomplished more
> > than we could have hoped for.
>
> > In the next couple weeks we will be announcing some projects on this
> > mail list that came out of the volunteer sessions.
>
> > please keep an eye out for the areas that interest you and contact  
> the
> > project leader indicated on each project announcement.
>
> > some upcoming projects will include:
> > -venue sprint.
> > -WT 3rd yr anniversary event.
> > -local content portal design/build.
> > -sponsorship/funding campaign.
> > -mesh testing and research.
>
> > we also have openings for volunteers to lead or assist with managing
> > some of these initiatives. please shout out on the list if you have
> > time and interest to get involved.
>
> > I look forward to seeing you all again soon and a fantastic year for
> > WirelessToronto and community wifi overall.
>
> > Jason
> > =j
>
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> ...
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>
> -- 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Luanne Winchiu
>
> E-mail: lwinchiu at gmail.com
> Tel: (416) 820-8180
>
> "Exploration is the physical expression of the Intellectual Passion"  
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From aneasyone at gmail.com  Tue Apr 29 10:38:50 2008
From: aneasyone at gmail.com (j.roks)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:38:50 -0400
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] location for wirelessToronto 3rd year
	birthday party
Message-ID: <B3080F98-6702-4589-9F0F-43B32DE8B1B4@gmail.com>

wondering if the list has any ideas on where to hold the  
wirelessToronto 3rd year party in late May.

=j