From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca  Mon Nov  2 11:27:48 2009
From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:27:48 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] [wirelesstoronto-board] [isf-vol]
	Groupe de travail: Gestion du contenu des pages portail
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please explain what you mean by a "wordpress plugin"?

So, does that mean the WifiDog2 (WD2) plugin for wprdpress would be
installed into Wordpress and pass data, config and auth from WD2 to a venue
portal developed in Wordpress?

In hopefully more simple terms, does this mean someone can use a wordpress
install on a third party host as the portal page for a HotSpot Venue and
seamlessly work with WD2?

Please correct me where I'm wrong?

What is the rough ETA on WD2 and the WP Plugin so we can get an idea on
timescapes.

Best,

Jason
-


2009/11/2 Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>

> Yay!
>
> To be clear: the next wifidog doesn't *use* wordpress; it features an
> API so that anyone can build a plugin for any cms.  A wordpress plugin
> will be created by the wifidog dev team, though.  They're actively
> looking for helpers, and the working spec is on the dev wiki:
> dev.wifidog.org.
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2009, jason roks <jason at wirelesstoronto.ca> wrote:
> > I'm very pleased, in fact ecstatic to hear wifidog2.0 will use Wordpress.
> w0000t!. thank gawd!... finally a decent CMS. Wordpress has only gotten
> better in the past few years and the familiarity of the admin control panel
> will be welcome by all who are tasked with Portal Content Management. The
> vast pallet of plugins, tweaks and modules offers a lot of kool options.
> >
> >
> > I'm once again excited and reinvigorated about portal pages -- ultimately
> the reason I helped start WT with you all in the first place.
> > Count me in.
> > Jason
> >
> > -
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/30 Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '
> gabe at pwd.ca');>>
> >
> >
> > This is mostly for Mo, but of interest to all of us.  (Summary: ISF is
> creating a portal page working group, to help them figure out how to handle
> external requests for portal page partnerships, and to manage the transition
> to the new WordPress-based CMS that they'll eventually be using once WifiDog
> 2.0 is out.)
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Michael Lenczner <mlenczner at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '
> mlenczner at gmail.com');>>
> > Date: 2009/10/30
> > Subject: Re: [isf-vol] Groupe de travail: Gestion du contenu des pages
> portail
> > To: Volontaires Ile sans Fil <volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org>
> >
> >
> > Alright - I'm happy to take this on.  I'll send an email to some of
> > the culprits that I think are part of this conversation (Sylvain,
> > Alexis) but please contact me if you are interested in attending a
> > working meeting to gather info for a plan to propose to the rest of
> > the organization + board.  I imagine that we'll definitely need to
> > coordinate with Genevi?ve.
> >
> > It will involve talking with Wireless Toronto and ZapQuebec to see
> > what our allies are up to vis-a-vis content.
> >
> > I haven't done much (or anything really) with content in the last year
> > and a half, but before then I was one of the main managers of the
> > $25,000 MDCN project that got us our server and then the person who
> > initiated and managed the $25,000 contract we did with Canada Council
> > for the Arts - that let us give money to ZapQuebec and Wireless
> > Toronto.  I've also initiated and managed 15+ other smaller content
> > projects with ISF (including Elections07).  Check out the projects
> > page if you're not familiar with them -
> > http://www.ilesansfil.org/projets/
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/29 Laurent Maisonnave <laurent at zelaurent.com <javascript:_e({},
> 'cvml', 'laurent at zelaurent.com');>>:
> >> ?le sans fil re?oit de plus en plus de demandes pour pr?senter du
> contenu
> >> sur ses pages portail. De par le pass?, plusieurs projets de contenus
> ont
> >> ?t? d?velopp?s par ISF, principalement gr?ce ? Michael Lenczner.
> >> Comme vous le savez sans doute, ISF travaille ? la refonte de Wifidog,
> le
> >> logiciel  qui g?re notre r?seau. La nouvelle version, dite 2.0, devrait
> >> offrir une API ouverte pour faciliter le branchement de CMS (syst?me de
> >> gestion de contenu de type Wordpress). Ces m?mes CMS nous faciliteront
> >> grandement la t?che pour publier simplement du contenu dynamique sur nos
> >> pages portails.
> >> Afin de r?pondre au mieux aux demandes qui nous sont envoy?es, et pour
> >> pr?parer une vision claire de l'?volution des pages portail d'ISF, nous
> >> mettons en place un groupe de travail pour la gestion du contenu.
> >> ?tant donn? son exp?rience sur la mise en place de projet de contenu
> avec le
> >> milieu culturel et universitaire, Michael Lenzner est la personne toute
> >> d?sign?e pour  avoir la responsabilit? de ce groupe. Michael a pour
> mission
> >> de coordonner les demandes et le travail des b?n?voles. Je vous invite ?
> le
> >> contacter pour participer activement ? ce groupe de travail.
> >> Merci pour votre aide.
> >>
> >> Laurent
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Volontaires mailing list
> >> Volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org
> >> http://listes.ilesansfil.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volontaires
> >>
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> > Volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org
> > http://listes.ilesansfil.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volontaires
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Mon Nov  2 13:38:42 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:38:42 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] [wirelesstoronto-board] [isf-vol]
	Groupe de travail: Gestion du contenu des pages portail
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Hi Jason --
That's the idea, as far as I know.  I'm not part of the dev team, but
they're doing an admirable job of keeping the community in the loop through
the dev site: http://dev.wifidog.org

I don't think anyone knows how soon it'll be stable enough to run on a
production network -- sooner with more people working on development and
testing, surely!  <smile>

Gabe


On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:27 AM, jason roks <jason at wirelesstoronto.ca>wrote:

> please explain what you mean by a "wordpress plugin"?
>
> So, does that mean the WifiDog2 (WD2) plugin for wprdpress would be
> installed into Wordpress and pass data, config and auth from WD2 to a venue
> portal developed in Wordpress?
>
> In hopefully more simple terms, does this mean someone can use a wordpress
> install on a third party host as the portal page for a HotSpot Venue and
> seamlessly work with WD2?
>
> Please correct me where I'm wrong?
>
> What is the rough ETA on WD2 and the WP Plugin so we can get an idea on
> timescapes.
>
> Best,
>
> Jason
> -
>
>
> 2009/11/2 Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>
>
> Yay!
>>
>> To be clear: the next wifidog doesn't *use* wordpress; it features an
>> API so that anyone can build a plugin for any cms.  A wordpress plugin
>> will be created by the wifidog dev team, though.  They're actively
>> looking for helpers, and the working spec is on the dev wiki:
>> dev.wifidog.org.
>>
>> Gabe
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 2, 2009, jason roks <jason at wirelesstoronto.ca> wrote:
>> > I'm very pleased, in fact ecstatic to hear wifidog2.0 will use
>> Wordpress. w0000t!. thank gawd!... finally a decent CMS. Wordpress has only
>> gotten better in the past few years and the familiarity of the admin control
>> panel will be welcome by all who are tasked with Portal Content Management.
>> The vast pallet of plugins, tweaks and modules offers a lot of kool options.
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm once again excited and reinvigorated about portal pages --
>> ultimately the reason I helped start WT with you all in the first place.
>> > Count me in.
>> > Jason
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2009/10/30 Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '
>> gabe at pwd.ca');>>
>> >
>> >
>> > This is mostly for Mo, but of interest to all of us.  (Summary: ISF is
>> creating a portal page working group, to help them figure out how to handle
>> external requests for portal page partnerships, and to manage the transition
>> to the new WordPress-based CMS that they'll eventually be using once WifiDog
>> 2.0 is out.)
>> >
>> > Gabe
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Michael Lenczner <mlenczner at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'mlenczner at gmail.com');>>
>> > Date: 2009/10/30
>> > Subject: Re: [isf-vol] Groupe de travail: Gestion du contenu des pages
>> portail
>> > To: Volontaires Ile sans Fil <volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org>
>> >
>> >
>> > Alright - I'm happy to take this on.  I'll send an email to some of
>> > the culprits that I think are part of this conversation (Sylvain,
>> > Alexis) but please contact me if you are interested in attending a
>> > working meeting to gather info for a plan to propose to the rest of
>> > the organization + board.  I imagine that we'll definitely need to
>> > coordinate with Genevi?ve.
>> >
>> > It will involve talking with Wireless Toronto and ZapQuebec to see
>> > what our allies are up to vis-a-vis content.
>> >
>> > I haven't done much (or anything really) with content in the last year
>> > and a half, but before then I was one of the main managers of the
>> > $25,000 MDCN project that got us our server and then the person who
>> > initiated and managed the $25,000 contract we did with Canada Council
>> > for the Arts - that let us give money to ZapQuebec and Wireless
>> > Toronto.  I've also initiated and managed 15+ other smaller content
>> > projects with ISF (including Elections07).  Check out the projects
>> > page if you're not familiar with them -
>> > http://www.ilesansfil.org/projets/
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > 2009/10/29 Laurent Maisonnave <laurent at zelaurent.com <javascript:_e({},
>> 'cvml', 'laurent at zelaurent.com');>>:
>> >> ?le sans fil re?oit de plus en plus de demandes pour pr?senter du
>> contenu
>> >> sur ses pages portail. De par le pass?, plusieurs projets de contenus
>> ont
>> >> ?t? d?velopp?s par ISF, principalement gr?ce ? Michael Lenczner.
>> >> Comme vous le savez sans doute, ISF travaille ? la refonte de Wifidog,
>> le
>> >> logiciel  qui g?re notre r?seau. La nouvelle version, dite 2.0, devrait
>> >> offrir une API ouverte pour faciliter le branchement de CMS (syst?me de
>> >> gestion de contenu de type Wordpress). Ces m?mes CMS nous faciliteront
>> >> grandement la t?che pour publier simplement du contenu dynamique sur
>> nos
>> >> pages portails.
>> >> Afin de r?pondre au mieux aux demandes qui nous sont envoy?es, et pour
>> >> pr?parer une vision claire de l'?volution des pages portail d'ISF, nous
>> >> mettons en place un groupe de travail pour la gestion du contenu.
>> >> ?tant donn? son exp?rience sur la mise en place de projet de contenu
>> avec le
>> >> milieu culturel et universitaire, Michael Lenzner est la personne toute
>> >> d?sign?e pour  avoir la responsabilit? de ce groupe. Michael a pour
>> mission
>> >> de coordonner les demandes et le travail des b?n?voles. Je vous invite
>> ? le
>> >> contacter pour participer activement ? ce groupe de travail.
>> >> Merci pour votre aide.
>> >>
>> >> Laurent
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Volontaires mailing list
>> >> Volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org
>> >> http://listes.ilesansfil.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volontaires
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Volontaires mailing list
>> > Volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org
>> > http://listes.ilesansfil.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volontaires
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > wirelesstoronto-board mailing list
>> > wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> >
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board
>>
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From michelle at kasprzak.ca  Thu Nov  5 06:54:15 2009
From: michelle at kasprzak.ca (Michelle Kasprzak)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:54:15 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Next Wireless Toronto Volunteer
	Meeting!
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Hello all,
As you might remember, in the summer update email that Gabe sent out mention
was made of a public art project, In-Site Toronto, that WT is taking part
in.

To recap, In-Site Toronto will be a collection of new art projects presented
on the portal pages of wifi hotspots in the WT network. Once the project is
developed, the current start page that WT users see when they log in will be
a platform to showcase newly-commissioned media art at selected hotspots.
Six artists (Jeremy Bailey, Swintak, Brian Joseph Davis, Kelly Mark, Dave
Dyment, and Fedora Romita) are at work right now on their concepts, and the
works will be displayed on the network starting early next year.  In-Site
Toronto is produced by Year Zero One, supported by the Canada Council, and
curated by yours truly (I also piloted a similar project on Montreal's Ile
Sans Fil network a few years ago). Now that production has kicked off, I'll
be sending emails to this list with regular updates on the project.

The benefits and challenges of using the portal page and the WT network as a
method of displaying art are many and it's crucial to get the artists
together with the WT volunteers that make the network happen, especially at
this time, when the artists are still working on their concepts.

So a discussion about the project has been added to the end of the agenda
for the volunteer meeting on Nov 9th, and the artists will be coming to the*
*meeting part of the way through. Unfortunately I will not be there but I do
look forward to hearing a recap from others.

I hope you enjoy meeting the artists! If you have any questions about the
project in general don't hesitate to drop me a line.
Best,
MK



On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jon Alexander <jon.alexander at utoronto.ca>wrote:

>  Thanks Michele -- count me in.
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Alexander
> w.416.348.9710.x3039
> c.416.805.4332
>
>
>
> Michele Perras wrote:
>
> Hey everyone!
>
>  The next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting will be on Monday November
> 9th, from 5:45-8pm at the Centre for Social Innovation (Ste 120).
>
>  We haven't met in a while, so it's a great time to come out if
> you've never been to one of our meetings.  We'll catch everyone up on
> what we've been up to, and talk about some opportunities this spring
> and summer.  Lots of ways to get involved, for designers, techies, writers,
> community folks, etc.
>
>  Generally speaking, we'll be talking about the following:
>
>  Intros
> Overview of Wireless Toronto and Goals
> Updates from WT Board members
> New business and ideas
>
>
>  Hope to see you there!
>  Cheers,
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
>  michele perras
> 416/805/8661
> twitter: @michele_perras
> skype: michele perras
> blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com
> links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_
>
> do or do not, there is no try
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dory.kornfeld at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 07:48:58 2009
From: dory.kornfeld at gmail.com (Dory Kornfeld)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:48:58 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Next Wireless Toronto Volunteer
	Meeting!
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References: <866cd2e90910261114p31b7787bh2d4dadc602d84208@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE5FD53.60509@utoronto.ca>
	<db958030911050354m50f91761g6bdbfd4cc8185bb3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54DC1DC1-2E42-4EDD-A866-E51E6CB9AAEF@gmail.com>

You know that InSite is the name of the safe injection stie in  
Vancouver, right?

Is the co-naming of this project intentional?

Dory



On Nov 5, 2009, at 6:54 AM, Michelle Kasprzak wrote:

> Hello all,
> As you might remember, in the summer update email that Gabe sent out  
> mention was made of a public art project, In-Site Toronto, that WT  
> is taking part in.
>
> To recap, In-Site Toronto will be a collection of new art projects  
> presented on the portal pages of wifi hotspots in the WT network.  
> Once the project is developed, the current start page that WT users  
> see when they log in will be a platform to showcase newly- 
> commissioned media art at selected hotspots. Six artists (Jeremy  
> Bailey, Swintak, Brian Joseph Davis, Kelly Mark, Dave Dyment, and  
> Fedora Romita) are at work right now on their concepts, and the  
> works will be displayed on the network starting early next year.  In- 
> Site Toronto is produced by Year Zero One, supported by the Canada  
> Council, and curated by yours truly (I also piloted a similar  
> project on Montreal's Ile Sans Fil network a few years ago). Now  
> that production has kicked off, I'll be sending emails to this list  
> with regular updates on the project.
>
> The benefits and challenges of using the portal page and the WT  
> network as a method of displaying art are many and it's crucial to  
> get the artists together with the WT volunteers that make the  
> network happen, especially at this time, when the artists are still  
> working on their concepts.
>
> So a discussion about the project has been added to the end of the  
> agenda for the volunteer meeting on Nov 9th, and the artists will be  
> coming to the meeting part of the way through. Unfortunately I will  
> not be there but I do look forward to hearing a recap from others.
>
> I hope you enjoy meeting the artists! If you have any questions  
> about the project in general don't hesitate to drop me a line.
> Best,
> MK
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jon Alexander <jon.alexander at utoronto.ca 
> > wrote:
> Thanks Michele -- count me in.
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Alexander
> w.416.348.9710.x3039
> c.416.805.4332
>
>
> Michele Perras wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone!
>>
>> The next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting will be on Monday  
>> November 9th, from 5:45-8pm at the Centre for Social Innovation  
>> (Ste 120).
>>
>> We haven't met in a while, so it's a great time to come out if  
>> you've never been to one of our meetings.  We'll catch everyone up  
>> on what we've been up to, and talk about some opportunities this  
>> spring and summer.  Lots of ways to get involved, for designers,  
>> techies, writers, community folks, etc.
>>
>> Generally speaking, we'll be talking about the following:
>>
>> Intros
>> Overview of Wireless Toronto and Goals
>> Updates from WT Board members
>> New business and ideas
>>
>>
>> Hope to see you there!
>> Cheers,
>> Michele
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> michele perras
>> 416/805/8661
>> twitter: @michele_perras
>> skype: michele perras
>> blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com
>> links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_
>>
>> do or do not, there is no try
>> _______________________________________________
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Michelle Kasprzak - Curator & Writer
>
> http://curating.info
> http://michelle.kasprzak.ca
> http://twitter.com/mkasprzak
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From michelle at kasprzak.ca  Thu Nov  5 08:16:40 2009
From: michelle at kasprzak.ca (Michelle Kasprzak)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:16:40 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Next Wireless Toronto Volunteer
	Meeting!
In-Reply-To: <54DC1DC1-2E42-4EDD-A866-E51E6CB9AAEF@gmail.com>
References: <866cd2e90910261114p31b7787bh2d4dadc602d84208@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE5FD53.60509@utoronto.ca>
	<db958030911050354m50f91761g6bdbfd4cc8185bb3@mail.gmail.com>
	<54DC1DC1-2E42-4EDD-A866-E51E6CB9AAEF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <db958030911050516i35a0148ere79b083b7f1bc1c1@mail.gmail.com>

No, I didn't know about this specific example, but there are dozens of
things with the name, ranging from an IT consultancy to a youth
magazine to a research group.
As the project is not taking place in Vancouver I don't imagine there
will be a conflict but interested to hear if you think otherwise.
MK

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Dory Kornfeld <dory.kornfeld at gmail.com> wrote:
> You know that InSite is the name of the safe injection stie in Vancouver,
> right?
> Is the co-naming of this project intentional?
> Dory
>
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2009, at 6:54 AM, Michelle Kasprzak wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> As you might remember, in the summer update email that Gabe sent out mention
> was made of a public art project, In-Site Toronto, that WT is taking part
> in.
>
> To recap, In-Site Toronto will be a collection of new art projects presented
> on the portal pages of wifi hotspots in the WT network. Once the project is
> developed, the current start page that WT users see when they log in will be
> a platform to showcase newly-commissioned media art at selected hotspots.
> Six artists (Jeremy Bailey, Swintak, Brian Joseph Davis, Kelly Mark, Dave
> Dyment, and Fedora Romita) are at work right now on their concepts, and the
> works will be displayed on the network starting early next year. ?In-Site
> Toronto is produced by Year Zero One, supported by the Canada Council, and
> curated by yours truly (I also piloted a similar project on Montreal's Ile
> Sans Fil network a few years ago). Now that production has kicked off, I'll
> be sending emails to this list with regular updates on the project.
>
> The benefits and challenges of using the portal page and the WT network as a
> method of displaying art are many and it's crucial to get the artists
> together with the WT volunteers that make the network happen, especially at
> this time, when the artists are still working on their concepts.
>
> So a discussion about the project has been added to the end of the agenda
> for the volunteer meeting on Nov 9th, and the artists will be coming to the
> meeting part of the way through. Unfortunately I will not be there but I do
> look forward to hearing a recap from others.
>
> I hope you enjoy meeting the artists! If you have any questions about the
> project in general don't hesitate to drop me a line.
> Best,
> MK
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jon Alexander <jon.alexander at utoronto.ca>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Michele -- count me in.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> Jon Alexander
>> w.416.348.9710.x3039
>> c.416.805.4332
>>
>>
>> Michele Perras wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone!
>> The next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting will be on Monday?November
>> 9th, from 5:45-8pm at the Centre for Social Innovation (Ste 120).
>> We haven't met in a while, so it's a great time to come out if
>> you've?never been to one of our meetings.? We'll catch everyone up on
>> what?we've been up to, and talk about some opportunities this spring
>> and?summer.? Lots of ways to get involved, for designers, techies,?writers,
>> community folks, etc.
>> Generally speaking, we'll be talking about the following:
>> Intros
>> Overview of Wireless Toronto and Goals
>> Updates from WT Board members
>> New business and ideas
>>
>> Hope to see you there!
>> Cheers,
>> Michele
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> michele perras
>> 416/805/8661
>> twitter: @michele_perras
>> skype: michele perras
>> blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com
>> links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_
>>
>> do or do not, there is no try
>>
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>>
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>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Michelle Kasprzak - Curator & Writer
>
> http://curating.info
> http://michelle.kasprzak.ca
> http://twitter.com/mkasprzak
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>
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> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>



-- 
Michelle Kasprzak - Curator & Writer

http://curating.info
http://michelle.kasprzak.ca
http://twitter.com/mkasprzak


From gabe at pwd.ca  Mon Nov  9 10:13:30 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:13:30 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT blog: Another attempt at Toronto muni
	wifi?
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911090713h2cd0bb44s7e44f6003003f108@mail.gmail.com>

http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/09/another-attempt-at-toronto-muni-wifi/

Another attempt at Toronto muni
wifi?<http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/09/another-attempt-at-toronto-muni-wifi/>
November
9th, 2009 by Gabe

At today?s Government Management Committee meeting, a report will be
received updating the committee on three public policy initiatives:

   1. Setting up a ?Meraki-style? mesh network in one of the priority
   neighbourhoods.
   2. Allowing the Oxford Group to install free-to-use, sponsored public
   Internet terminals in one of the priority neighbourhoods.
   3. Setting up free-to-use public wifi at City Hall and in
   publicly-accessible areas in other city buildings.

The report is here; it?s quite good, actually:
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25011.pdf

In addition, the committee invited (through an RFI) ?major leaders in the
Wireless marketplace? to ?present an overview of their Wireless strategic
directions and plans.? Each will have 15-20 minutes to present. There?s a
bit of info on this here:
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25060.pdf

Item 26.21 is scheduled for 1:30pm, and the meeting is in Committee Room 1;
I hope to be there.

?
As I mentioned, I think the Staff Report is pretty good ? it?s the first
City document I?ve seen that shows a realistic approach to public wifi. Some
highlights & thoughts:
Read the rest of this entry
?<http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/09/another-attempt-at-toronto-muni-wifi/#more-252>
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From hilary.krupa at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 11:38:07 2009
From: hilary.krupa at gmail.com (hilary krupa)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:38:07 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Reminder - Wireless Toronto Volunteer
	Meeting Tonight Nov 9!
Message-ID: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone!

This is a last-minute reminder that you are cordially invited to join us
tonight, Monday November 9th from 5:45 - 8:00pm-ish at the Centre for Social
Innovation, 215 Spadina Avenue (Ste 120) - http://socialinnovation.ca/.

We'll bring you up-to-speed on what we've been up to, and talk about some
interesting opportunities that have come our way.






And don't forget that there are lots of ways to get involved, for designers,
techies, writers, community folks, etc.

Here are some highlights of what we'll be talking about tonight:

-- Introduction of the new board
-- Project Overviews:
---- In-Site Toronto: brief overview, artist intro and project briefs
---- Wireless Toronto's new website
---- John Street
-- Toronto muni wifi report

And of course, discussion will continue over drinks after the meeting for
all those who want to talk more Wireless Toronto over a beer.

Join our Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/WirelessToronto
Read our blog: http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/

Hope to see you there!
Hilary


-- 
Hilary Krupa
416-417-7878
hilary.krupa at gmail.com
twitter: @hkrupa
skype: hilhilhil
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From nkovats at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 14:55:00 2009
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:55:00 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT blog: Another attempt at Toronto
	muni wifi?
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780911090713h2cd0bb44s7e44f6003003f108@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911090713h2cd0bb44s7e44f6003003f108@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b6a82ad0911091155t4e0dd945n91b8c5380cf69947@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List.

Building "meshes" is no easy task as close proximity of wireless nodes
can cause issues. The City of Toronto staff are a bit naive to see it
as a plug and play attempt.

Users will not utilize the network if they can't get reasonable access
to their local internet gateway.

Has anyone been tracking the Village Telco project? i.e.

http://www.villagetelco.org/villagetelco/about/

Mock up of the prototype, i.e.

http://www.villagetelco.org/villagetelco/about/

These guys are very serious about wireless mesh, hardware and voice.
One of the co-founders has real world low cost Asterisk embedded
fanless Linux hardware for sale. They have working prototype
"potatoes" and are running actual tests, i.e. wireless APs in 2-3 hop
meshes at the moment utilizing the Batman routing protocol. They are
finalizing antenna design. They have a super dense technical
discussion list including people from FreiFunk in Germany.

They are focusing on keeping all this as cheap as possible and
completely open - hardware and software.

So basically web based administration of single radio meshes w/
ethernet (WAN) + Analog Telephony Adapter ( fxs port for analog
phone). Yep. Analog phones.

But the backend can be connected to Asterisk or the new Asterisk +
open source GSM software called OpenBTS, i.e.
http://openbts.sourceforge.net/

OpenBTS just cleared legal hurdles with the GSM developers and were
operating a test site at the recent Burning Man Festival.

I am also aware of research whereas you can cluster single radios
separated by an approx. foot whereas two radios are for backend
(non-interference) with 802.11a and the other two are regular 802.11g
clients. Interconnect the APs via ethernet. Then utilizing directional
antennas to start connecting all these stationary mesh nodes, i.e. 2 -
4 radios per mesh node.

Good to see the list still talking.

Nicholas K.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/09/another-attempt-at-toronto-muni-wifi/
>
> Another attempt at Toronto muni wifi?
>
> November 9th, 2009 by Gabe
>
> At today?s Government Management Committee meeting, a report will be
> received updating the committee on three public policy initiatives:
>
> Setting up a ?Meraki-style? mesh network in one of the priority
> neighbourhoods.
> Allowing the Oxford Group to install free-to-use, sponsored public Internet
> terminals in one of the priority neighbourhoods.
> Setting up free-to-use public wifi at City Hall and in publicly-accessible
> areas in other city buildings.
>
> The report is here; it?s quite good, actually:
> http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25011.pdf
>
> In addition, the committee invited (through an RFI) ?major leaders in the
> Wireless marketplace? to ?present an overview of their Wireless strategic
> directions and plans.? Each will have 15-20 minutes to present. There?s a
> bit of info on this here:
> http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25060.pdf
>
> Item 26.21 is scheduled for 1:30pm, and the meeting is in Committee Room 1;
> I hope to be there.
>
> ?
>
> As I mentioned, I think the Staff Report is pretty good ? it?s the first
> City document I?ve seen that shows a realistic approach to public wifi. Some
> highlights & thoughts:
> Read the rest of this entry ?
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>


From michael at monkeycycle.org  Tue Nov 10 08:52:51 2009
From: michael at monkeycycle.org (Michael Pereira)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:52:51 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the public
	site and portal pages
In-Reply-To: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2372564D-7B29-4532-9F64-BE8C4FD50D8E@monkeycycle.org>


Hello all that came to last night's meeting
	(& those that meant to)

We've been thinking and talking for a while now about a revamp of both  
the public site and our captive portal pages. The time has come to  
produce.

By way of some background, we're looking at replacing the current  
public site with a Wordpress install that will let us serve our three  
main audiences: users, venues, and group supporters. Users will gain  
easier access to account management, venues get a spiffy profile, and  
supporters -- well opportunities to support.

We'll also bring in some shiny new media bits like twitter feeds,  
badges to adorn ourselves online, and yet-to-be-determined-but- 
undoubtedly-brilliant-thing that some smarmy 20 year old releases and  
forever changes how we interact.

The other big slice of this is to put some polish on our portal pages  
including using venue profiles and incorporating dynamic (& site- 
specific) elements.

It'll be cool. Cooler still because this will position us for the next  
big release of our beloved WiFido.g which looks like it'll have  
Wordpress integration/support built-in.

If you can code, we need you.
If you can command Photoshop and Illustrator (or GIMP & Inkscape), we  
need you.
If you can write strong copy, we need you.
If you can take amazing pictures, we need you.

If you're interested in helping out, we need you.

Let's kick things off next week with a meeting and, depending on  
numbers & energy levels, something tangible to behold. We'll look at  
pretty things, discuss the plans, figure out next steps, and assign  
some roles/responsibilities.

************************************************************

Proposed dates and times are next Tuesday 17th or Wednesday 18th,  
either late afternoon (3:30/4:00) or early evening (5:30) for a couple  
hours. And then, as per tradition, we can grab a drink and pint nearby.

For central convenience, let's meet at 215 Spadina -- Dark Horse for  
now or a room upstairs if we're many in number.

************************************************************

If you're interested please speak up on the list or contact me  
directly, letting us know which bits you're interested in and what you  
availability is like. Thanks!





all good things,
michael


=============
Michael Pereira
Wireless Toronto
wirelesstoronto.ca


email:	michael at wirelesstoronto.ca
skype: 	monkeycycle
mobile: 	416-821-5081


(((-free community wifi-)))


From daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 10 09:14:14 2009
From: daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com (Daryl Hobbs)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:14:14 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the
 public	site and portal pages
In-Reply-To: <2372564D-7B29-4532-9F64-BE8C4FD50D8E@monkeycycle.org>
References: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU121-W8557AFEBD64BAE603125F86AB0@phx.gbl>


Hi Michael
I have been subscribing to your newsletter for about 2 years and I have not attended any of your meeting because the community computer site I manage was not ready to have public sites or portals. Although we have a total of 4 routers operating, bell, linksys, d-link and belkin n1 I understand in order to install your software we must have a certain kind of router?
The reason I am contacting you is I believe we are on the verge of expanding our concept to other communities in Toronto Community Housing and this may be an excellent way for our future sites to access the internet etc...
I believe Gabe was at the meeting and he may be able to expalin what we are trying to accomplish.
Thanks and have a great day,
Daryl

> From: michael at monkeycycle.org
> To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:52:51 -0500
> Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the public	site and portal pages
> 
> 
> Hello all that came to last night's meeting
> 	(& those that meant to)
> 
> We've been thinking and talking for a while now about a revamp of both  
> the public site and our captive portal pages. The time has come to  
> produce.
> 
> By way of some background, we're looking at replacing the current  
> public site with a Wordpress install that will let us serve our three  
> main audiences: users, venues, and group supporters. Users will gain  
> easier access to account management, venues get a spiffy profile, and  
> supporters -- well opportunities to support.
> 
> We'll also bring in some shiny new media bits like twitter feeds,  
> badges to adorn ourselves online, and yet-to-be-determined-but- 
> undoubtedly-brilliant-thing that some smarmy 20 year old releases and  
> forever changes how we interact.
> 
> The other big slice of this is to put some polish on our portal pages  
> including using venue profiles and incorporating dynamic (& site- 
> specific) elements.
> 
> It'll be cool. Cooler still because this will position us for the next  
> big release of our beloved WiFido.g which looks like it'll have  
> Wordpress integration/support built-in.
> 
> If you can code, we need you.
> If you can command Photoshop and Illustrator (or GIMP & Inkscape), we  
> need you.
> If you can write strong copy, we need you.
> If you can take amazing pictures, we need you.
> 
> If you're interested in helping out, we need you.
> 
> Let's kick things off next week with a meeting and, depending on  
> numbers & energy levels, something tangible to behold. We'll look at  
> pretty things, discuss the plans, figure out next steps, and assign  
> some roles/responsibilities.
> 
> ************************************************************
> 
> Proposed dates and times are next Tuesday 17th or Wednesday 18th,  
> either late afternoon (3:30/4:00) or early evening (5:30) for a couple  
> hours. And then, as per tradition, we can grab a drink and pint nearby.
> 
> For central convenience, let's meet at 215 Spadina -- Dark Horse for  
> now or a room upstairs if we're many in number.
> 
> ************************************************************
> 
> If you're interested please speak up on the list or contact me  
> directly, letting us know which bits you're interested in and what you  
> availability is like. Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> all good things,
> michael
> 
> 
> =============
> Michael Pereira
> Wireless Toronto
> wirelesstoronto.ca
> 
> 
> email:	michael at wirelesstoronto.ca
> skype: 	monkeycycle
> mobile: 	416-821-5081
> 
> 
> (((-free community wifi-)))
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
 		 	   		  
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Nov 10 15:14:15 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:14:15 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Gabe's notes from yesterday's Government
	Management Committee meeting
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911101214h3ddf5526t6626a01a5c3ff698@mail.gmail.com>

At last night's meeting Jon asked me for a copy of my notes.  They're highly
opinionated so I'm hesitant to post them to this list (which is publicly
archived).  If you're interested, just drop me an email.

Gabe
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Nov 10 16:26:06 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:26:06 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911101326s4735c1f8g8acfd1e75fe8160a@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going to be installing a hotspot tomorrow at The 3 Brewers, just south
of Yonge and Dundas, in the afternoon (3ish?).  If anyone's interested in
coming along, just let me know.  I expect that it'll be pretty quick -- no
more than 30-40 minutes.

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From omid.saadatfard at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 16:36:22 2009
From: omid.saadatfard at gmail.com (Omid Saadatfard)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:36:22 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780911101326s4735c1f8g8acfd1e75fe8160a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911101326s4735c1f8g8acfd1e75fe8160a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1ecfd170911101336m530a9347y9bc06c2f669f94e@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be there. I haven't installed a hot spot before so it's a good
opportunity for me to get hands on experince.

/omid

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> I'm going to be installing a hotspot tomorrow at The 3 Brewers, just south
> of Yonge and Dundas, in the afternoon (3ish?).  If anyone's interested in
> coming along, just let me know.  I expect that it'll be pretty quick -- no
> more than 30-40 minutes.
>
> Gabe
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Nov 10 16:43:29 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:43:29 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the
	public site and portal pages
In-Reply-To: <BLU121-W8557AFEBD64BAE603125F86AB0@phx.gbl>
References: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2372564D-7B29-4532-9F64-BE8C4FD50D8E@monkeycycle.org>
	<BLU121-W8557AFEBD64BAE603125F86AB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911101343n1d389abtc11f639f8ae6004@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Daryl --
Yup, I was at the Government Management Committee meeting yesterday -- fun
times!  <smile>

The model we use for Wireless Toronto is based on each venue paying a $50
annual network membership fee -- that's the only regular revenue source that
the group has, and we need it to make sure that we can cover our costs.  But
that model was designed assuming that our venues are places that have some
budget available to cover that cost.  When individuals or community groups
want to host a Wireless Toronto hotspot, our model starts getting awkward.

That said, it'd be great to work with you, so let's try to find a way to do
it.

Gabe


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Daryl Hobbs <daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  Hi Michael
> I have been subscribing to your newsletter for about 2 years and I have not
> attended any of your meeting because the community computer site I manage
> was not ready to have public sites or portals. Although we have a total of 4
> routers operating, bell, linksys, d-link and belkin n1 I understand in order
> to install your software we must have a certain kind of router?
> The reason I am contacting you is I believe we are on the verge of
> expanding our concept to other communities in Toronto Community Housing and
> this may be an excellent way for our future sites to access the internet
> etc...
> I believe Gabe was at the meeting and he may be able to expalin what we are
> trying to accomplish.
> Thanks and have a great day,
> Daryl
>
> > From: michael at monkeycycle.org
> > To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:52:51 -0500
> > Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the
> public site and portal pages
>
> >
> >
> > Hello all that came to last night's meeting
> > (& those that meant to)
> >
> > We've been thinking and talking for a while now about a revamp of both
> > the public site and our captive portal pages. The time has come to
> > produce.
> >
> > By way of some background, we're looking at replacing the current
> > public site with a Wordpress install that will let us serve our three
> > main audiences: users, venues, and group supporters. Users will gain
> > easier access to account management, venues get a spiffy profile, and
> > supporters -- well opportunities to support.
> >
> > We'll also bring in some shiny new media bits like twitter feeds,
> > badges to adorn ourselves online, and yet-to-be-determined-but-
> > undoubtedly-brilliant-thing that some smarmy 20 year old releases and
> > forever changes how we interact.
> >
> > The other big slice of this is to put some polish on our portal pages
> > including using venue profiles and incorporating dynamic (& site-
> > specific) elements.
> >
> > It'll be cool. Cooler still because this will position us for the next
> > big release of our beloved WiFido.g which looks like it'll have
> > Wordpress integration/support built-in.
> >
> > If you can code, we need you.
> > If you can command Photoshop and Illustrator (or GIMP & Inkscape), we
> > need you.
> > If you can write strong copy, we need you.
> > If you can take amazing pictures, we need you.
> >
> > If you're interested in helping out, we need you.
> >
> > Let's kick things off next week with a meeting and, depending on
> > numbers & energy levels, something tangible to behold. We'll look at
> > pretty things, discuss the plans, figure out next steps, and assign
> > some roles/responsibilities.
> >
> > ************************************************************
> >
> > Proposed dates and times are next Tuesday 17th or Wednesday 18th,
> > either late afternoon (3:30/4:00) or early evening (5:30) for a couple
> > hours. And then, as per tradition, we can grab a drink and pint nearby.
> >
> > For central convenience, let's meet at 215 Spadina -- Dark Horse for
> > now or a room upstairs if we're many in number.
> >
> > ************************************************************
> >
> > If you're interested please speak up on the list or contact me
> > directly, letting us know which bits you're interested in and what you
> > availability is like. Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > all good things,
> > michael
> >
> >
> > =============
> > Michael Pereira
> > Wireless Toronto
> > wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> >
> > email: michael at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > skype: monkeycycle
> > mobile: 416-821-5081
> >
> >
> > (((-free community wifi-)))
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
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From mo at alnuaimy.com  Tue Nov 10 16:59:35 2009
From: mo at alnuaimy.com (M. Al-Nuaimy)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:59:35 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation
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	<b1ecfd170911101336m530a9347y9bc06c2f669f94e@mail.gmail.com>
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I also need the experience. count me in.



On 2009-11-10, at 4:36 PM, Omid Saadatfard <omid.saadatfard at gmail.com>
wrote:

I'll be there. I haven't installed a hot spot before so it's a good
opportunity for me to get hands on experince.

/omid

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> I'm going to be installing a hotspot tomorrow at The 3 Brewers, just south
> of Yonge and Dundas, in the afternoon (3ish?).  If anyone's interested in
> coming along, just let me know.  I expect that it'll be pretty quick -- no
> more than 30-40 minutes.
>
> Gabe
>
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Nov 10 17:17:10 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:10 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT blog: Another attempt at Toronto
	muni wifi?
In-Reply-To: <7b6a82ad0911091155t4e0dd945n91b8c5380cf69947@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911090713h2cd0bb44s7e44f6003003f108@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7b6a82ad0911091155t4e0dd945n91b8c5380cf69947@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks!  I've been keeping on eye on the VillageTelco Mesh Potato project --
they're doing amazing work.  The problem they're working on is quite
different from what we do, but certainly we all stand to gain from better
open source mesh.

Meraki's FreeTheNet network in San Francisco is often cited as a
surprisingly big and stable mesh, with many repeaters installed in "unideal"
locations by people with no particular knowledge of mesh networking.  But
because it's a privately-run network, we don't have much info on how it
really works.  The idea is understandably seductive!

Gabe


On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi List.
>
> Building "meshes" is no easy task as close proximity of wireless nodes
> can cause issues. The City of Toronto staff are a bit naive to see it
> as a plug and play attempt.
>
> Users will not utilize the network if they can't get reasonable access
> to their local internet gateway.
>
> Has anyone been tracking the Village Telco project? i.e.
>
> http://www.villagetelco.org/villagetelco/about/
>
> Mock up of the prototype, i.e.
>
> http://www.villagetelco.org/villagetelco/about/
>
> These guys are very serious about wireless mesh, hardware and voice.
> One of the co-founders has real world low cost Asterisk embedded
> fanless Linux hardware for sale. They have working prototype
> "potatoes" and are running actual tests, i.e. wireless APs in 2-3 hop
> meshes at the moment utilizing the Batman routing protocol. They are
> finalizing antenna design. They have a super dense technical
> discussion list including people from FreiFunk in Germany.
>
> They are focusing on keeping all this as cheap as possible and
> completely open - hardware and software.
>
> So basically web based administration of single radio meshes w/
> ethernet (WAN) + Analog Telephony Adapter ( fxs port for analog
> phone). Yep. Analog phones.
>
> But the backend can be connected to Asterisk or the new Asterisk +
> open source GSM software called OpenBTS, i.e.
> http://openbts.sourceforge.net/
>
> OpenBTS just cleared legal hurdles with the GSM developers and were
> operating a test site at the recent Burning Man Festival.
>
> I am also aware of research whereas you can cluster single radios
> separated by an approx. foot whereas two radios are for backend
> (non-interference) with 802.11a and the other two are regular 802.11g
> clients. Interconnect the APs via ethernet. Then utilizing directional
> antennas to start connecting all these stationary mesh nodes, i.e. 2 -
> 4 radios per mesh node.
>
> Good to see the list still talking.
>
> Nicholas K.
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> >
> http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/09/another-attempt-at-toronto-muni-wifi/
> >
> > Another attempt at Toronto muni wifi?
> >
> > November 9th, 2009 by Gabe
> >
> > At today?s Government Management Committee meeting, a report will be
> > received updating the committee on three public policy initiatives:
> >
> > Setting up a ?Meraki-style? mesh network in one of the priority
> > neighbourhoods.
> > Allowing the Oxford Group to install free-to-use, sponsored public
> Internet
> > terminals in one of the priority neighbourhoods.
> > Setting up free-to-use public wifi at City Hall and in
> publicly-accessible
> > areas in other city buildings.
> >
> > The report is here; it?s quite good, actually:
> > http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25011.pdf
> >
> > In addition, the committee invited (through an RFI) ?major leaders in the
> > Wireless marketplace? to ?present an overview of their Wireless strategic
> > directions and plans.? Each will have 15-20 minutes to present. There?s a
> > bit of info on this here:
> > http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25060.pdf
> >
> > Item 26.21 is scheduled for 1:30pm, and the meeting is in Committee Room
> 1;
> > I hope to be there.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > As I mentioned, I think the Staff Report is pretty good ? it?s the first
> > City document I?ve seen that shows a realistic approach to public wifi.
> Some
> > highlights & thoughts:
> > Read the rest of this entry ?
> >
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From omid.saadatfard at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 18:04:50 2009
From: omid.saadatfard at gmail.com (Omid Saadatfard)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:04:50 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780911101344x2576b425o4657afcdbb42dbad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911101326s4735c1f8g8acfd1e75fe8160a@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ecfd170911101336m530a9347y9bc06c2f669f94e@mail.gmail.com>
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sounds good.

/omid

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> Great!  Maybe let's meet at Dundas Square.  My mobile number is
> 647-222-6677.  Let's meet at, say, 3:15?
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Omid Saadatfard <
> omid.saadatfard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll be there. I haven't installed a hot spot before so it's a good
>> opportunity for me to get hands on experince.
>>
>> /omid
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to be installing a hotspot tomorrow at The 3 Brewers, just
>>> south of Yonge and Dundas, in the afternoon (3ish?).  If anyone's interested
>>> in coming along, just let me know.  I expect that it'll be pretty quick --
>>> no more than 30-40 minutes.
>>>
>>> Gabe
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>>
>>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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From daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 11 06:32:20 2009
From: daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com (Daryl Hobbs)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:32:20 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation
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Hi Gabe
I will do my best to be there. 
Thanks,
Daryl

Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:26:06 -0500
From: gabe at pwd.ca
To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation

I'm going to be installing a hotspot tomorrow at The 3 Brewers, just south of Yonge and Dundas, in the afternoon (3ish?).  If anyone's interested in coming along, just let me know.  I expect that it'll be pretty quick -- no more than 30-40 minutes.


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From daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 11 06:50:31 2009
From: daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com (Daryl Hobbs)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:50:31 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on
	the	public site and portal pages
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	<2372564D-7B29-4532-9F64-BE8C4FD50D8E@monkeycycle.org>
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Hi Gabe
I sent you an email regarding your new HotSpot. As I mentioned I will do my best to be there. I am hoping to bring Jerome as well if it's OK?
I was hoping for some discussion around how we can either learn how you set up the hot spots and talk about what we can do around TCH and community computer sites.
See you today if I'm reading your email correctly.
Call me if you can... 647-231-8081
Daryl

From: gabe at pwd.ca
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:43:29 -0500
To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
Subject: Re: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the	public site and portal pages

Hi Daryl --
Yup, I was at the Government Management Committee meeting yesterday -- fun times!  <smile>

The model we use for Wireless Toronto is based on each venue paying a $50 annual network membership fee -- that's the only regular revenue source that the group has, and we need it to make sure that we can cover our costs.  But that model was designed assuming that our venues are places that have some budget available to cover that cost.  When individuals or community groups want to host a Wireless Toronto hotspot, our model starts getting awkward.



That said, it'd be great to work with you, so let's try to find a way to do it.  

Gabe


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Daryl Hobbs <daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com> wrote:







Hi Michael
I have been subscribing to your newsletter for about 2 years and I have not attended any of your meeting because the community computer site I manage was not ready to have public sites or portals. Although we have a total of 4 routers operating, bell, linksys, d-link and belkin n1 I understand in order to install your software we must have a certain kind of router?


The reason I am contacting you is I believe we are on the verge of expanding our concept to other communities in Toronto Community Housing and this may be an excellent way for our future sites to access the internet etc...


I believe Gabe was at the meeting and he may be able to expalin what we are trying to accomplish.
Thanks and have a great day,
Daryl

> From: michael at monkeycycle.org


> To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:52:51 -0500
> Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the public	site and portal pages


> 
> 
> Hello all that came to last night's meeting
> 	(& those that meant to)
> 
> We've been thinking and talking for a while now about a revamp of both  


> the public site and our captive portal pages. The time has come to  
> produce.
> 
> By way of some background, we're looking at replacing the current  
> public site with a Wordpress install that will let us serve our three  


> main audiences: users, venues, and group supporters. Users will gain  
> easier access to account management, venues get a spiffy profile, and  
> supporters -- well opportunities to support.
> 


> We'll also bring in some shiny new media bits like twitter feeds,  
> badges to adorn ourselves online, and yet-to-be-determined-but- 
> undoubtedly-brilliant-thing that some smarmy 20 year old releases and  


> forever changes how we interact.
> 
> The other big slice of this is to put some polish on our portal pages  
> including using venue profiles and incorporating dynamic (& site- 
> specific) elements.


> 
> It'll be cool. Cooler still because this will position us for the next  
> big release of our beloved WiFido.g which looks like it'll have  
> Wordpress integration/support built-in.

> 

> If you can code, we need you.
> If you can command Photoshop and Illustrator (or GIMP & Inkscape), we  
> need you.
> If you can write strong copy, we need you.
> If you can take amazing pictures, we need you.


> 
> If you're interested in helping out, we need you.
> 
> Let's kick things off next week with a meeting and, depending on  
> numbers & energy levels, something tangible to behold. We'll look at  


> pretty things, discuss the plans, figure out next steps, and assign  
> some roles/responsibilities.
> 
> ************************************************************
> 
> Proposed dates and times are next Tuesday 17th or Wednesday 18th,  


> either late afternoon (3:30/4:00) or early evening (5:30) for a couple  
> hours. And then, as per tradition, we can grab a drink and pint nearby.
> 
> For central convenience, let's meet at 215 Spadina -- Dark Horse for  


> now or a room upstairs if we're many in number.
> 
> ************************************************************
> 
> If you're interested please speak up on the list or contact me  


> directly, letting us know which bits you're interested in and what you  
> availability is like. Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> all good things,
> michael
> 
> 


> =============
> Michael Pereira
> Wireless Toronto
> wirelesstoronto.ca
> 
> 
> email:	michael at wirelesstoronto.ca


> skype: 	monkeycycle
> mobile: 	416-821-5081
> 
> 
> (((-free community wifi-)))
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca


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From gabe at pwd.ca  Wed Nov 11 18:06:42 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:06:42 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] [WT blog] New hotspot: The 3 Brewers
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911111506k15011660l30e98c836b9ca932@mail.gmail.com>

http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/11/new-hotspot-the-3-brewers/

New hotspot: The 3
Brewers<http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/11/new-hotspot-the-3-brewers/>

Wireless Toronto?s newest hotspot is at The 3 Brewers, at 275 Yonge St.,
just south of Yonge-Dundas Square. The place is huge, and besides their
brewed-on-site beers, they?re known for their tartes flamb?e (Hilary will be
happy!).

Tip: the wifi is stronger on the lower floors.
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Wed Nov 11 21:26:49 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:49 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT volunteer tech training workshop:
	Monday, November 23
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911111826k7e075e78r3fb32486d64a8cc7@mail.gmail.com>

It's been a while since I ran a router flashing/configuring/troubleshooting
workshop.  So I'm going to do one on Monday the 23rd, at 5:45pm, at 215
Spadina Ave., 4th floor.

The objective of this workshop (for me) is:

   1. To train other folks so that they can help with Wireless Toronto
   router installations and/or to help fix routers that go down.


The objectives of this workshop (for you) are:

   1. To learn how to do some basic stuff, so that you feel comfortable
   "adopting" a Wireless Toronto hotspot near you, and/or help installing new
   Wireless Toronto hotspots.
   2. To learn generally about advanced wifi router configuration.


Here's the tentative plan:

PART 1: Linksys WRT54GL
- Flashing firmware: why and how
- How to set up a router with wifidog for a Wireless Toronto hotspot
- A little bit about the wifidog auth server
- A teensy bit about tweaking settings for better wifi performance
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do

PART 2: Open-mesh
- Mesh networks: what and why
- What I like and don't like about open-mesh
- Compatible hardware
- How to set up a basic open-mesh network
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do

I'm only going to cover concepts and technologies that directly relate to
what Wireless Toronto does.  If you're interested in other stuff too, that's
totally cool -- I'll do my best to answer questions in the workshop, and
we'll have plenty of time to chat about other stuff over drinks afterwards.
It's not imperative that you bring a laptop, but it's a good idea.

If you're interested, but can't make it on the 23rd, email me off-list --
I'm open to scheduling another similar workshop in December or January.  If
people are interested, we can also plan some kind of advanced masterclass or
something.

If you plan to come, drop me an email, just so I have a general idea of how
many people are coming.

Gabe
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From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca  Mon Nov  2 11:27:48 2009
From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:27:48 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] [wirelesstoronto-board] [isf-vol]
	Groupe de travail: Gestion du contenu des pages portail
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please explain what you mean by a "wordpress plugin"?

So, does that mean the WifiDog2 (WD2) plugin for wprdpress would be
installed into Wordpress and pass data, config and auth from WD2 to a venue
portal developed in Wordpress?

In hopefully more simple terms, does this mean someone can use a wordpress
install on a third party host as the portal page for a HotSpot Venue and
seamlessly work with WD2?

Please correct me where I'm wrong?

What is the rough ETA on WD2 and the WP Plugin so we can get an idea on
timescapes.

Best,

Jason
-


2009/11/2 Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>

> Yay!
>
> To be clear: the next wifidog doesn't *use* wordpress; it features an
> API so that anyone can build a plugin for any cms.  A wordpress plugin
> will be created by the wifidog dev team, though.  They're actively
> looking for helpers, and the working spec is on the dev wiki:
> dev.wifidog.org.
>
> Gabe
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2009, jason roks <jason at wirelesstoronto.ca> wrote:
> > I'm very pleased, in fact ecstatic to hear wifidog2.0 will use Wordpress.
> w0000t!. thank gawd!... finally a decent CMS. Wordpress has only gotten
> better in the past few years and the familiarity of the admin control panel
> will be welcome by all who are tasked with Portal Content Management. The
> vast pallet of plugins, tweaks and modules offers a lot of kool options.
> >
> >
> > I'm once again excited and reinvigorated about portal pages -- ultimately
> the reason I helped start WT with you all in the first place.
> > Count me in.
> > Jason
> >
> > -
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/30 Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '
> gabe at pwd.ca');>>
> >
> >
> > This is mostly for Mo, but of interest to all of us.  (Summary: ISF is
> creating a portal page working group, to help them figure out how to handle
> external requests for portal page partnerships, and to manage the transition
> to the new WordPress-based CMS that they'll eventually be using once WifiDog
> 2.0 is out.)
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Michael Lenczner <mlenczner at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '
> mlenczner at gmail.com');>>
> > Date: 2009/10/30
> > Subject: Re: [isf-vol] Groupe de travail: Gestion du contenu des pages
> portail
> > To: Volontaires Ile sans Fil <volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org>
> >
> >
> > Alright - I'm happy to take this on.  I'll send an email to some of
> > the culprits that I think are part of this conversation (Sylvain,
> > Alexis) but please contact me if you are interested in attending a
> > working meeting to gather info for a plan to propose to the rest of
> > the organization + board.  I imagine that we'll definitely need to
> > coordinate with Genevi?ve.
> >
> > It will involve talking with Wireless Toronto and ZapQuebec to see
> > what our allies are up to vis-a-vis content.
> >
> > I haven't done much (or anything really) with content in the last year
> > and a half, but before then I was one of the main managers of the
> > $25,000 MDCN project that got us our server and then the person who
> > initiated and managed the $25,000 contract we did with Canada Council
> > for the Arts - that let us give money to ZapQuebec and Wireless
> > Toronto.  I've also initiated and managed 15+ other smaller content
> > projects with ISF (including Elections07).  Check out the projects
> > page if you're not familiar with them -
> > http://www.ilesansfil.org/projets/
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/29 Laurent Maisonnave <laurent at zelaurent.com <javascript:_e({},
> 'cvml', 'laurent at zelaurent.com');>>:
> >> ?le sans fil re?oit de plus en plus de demandes pour pr?senter du
> contenu
> >> sur ses pages portail. De par le pass?, plusieurs projets de contenus
> ont
> >> ?t? d?velopp?s par ISF, principalement gr?ce ? Michael Lenczner.
> >> Comme vous le savez sans doute, ISF travaille ? la refonte de Wifidog,
> le
> >> logiciel  qui g?re notre r?seau. La nouvelle version, dite 2.0, devrait
> >> offrir une API ouverte pour faciliter le branchement de CMS (syst?me de
> >> gestion de contenu de type Wordpress). Ces m?mes CMS nous faciliteront
> >> grandement la t?che pour publier simplement du contenu dynamique sur nos
> >> pages portails.
> >> Afin de r?pondre au mieux aux demandes qui nous sont envoy?es, et pour
> >> pr?parer une vision claire de l'?volution des pages portail d'ISF, nous
> >> mettons en place un groupe de travail pour la gestion du contenu.
> >> ?tant donn? son exp?rience sur la mise en place de projet de contenu
> avec le
> >> milieu culturel et universitaire, Michael Lenzner est la personne toute
> >> d?sign?e pour  avoir la responsabilit? de ce groupe. Michael a pour
> mission
> >> de coordonner les demandes et le travail des b?n?voles. Je vous invite ?
> le
> >> contacter pour participer activement ? ce groupe de travail.
> >> Merci pour votre aide.
> >>
> >> Laurent
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Volontaires mailing list
> >> Volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org
> >> http://listes.ilesansfil.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volontaires
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Volontaires mailing list
> > Volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org
> > http://listes.ilesansfil.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volontaires
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wirelesstoronto-board mailing list
> > wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Mon Nov  2 13:38:42 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:38:42 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] [wirelesstoronto-board] [isf-vol]
	Groupe de travail: Gestion du contenu des pages portail
In-Reply-To: <ff82f7880911020827r29177441u1e5eaa5daab6f8f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61BC9FA4-4C50-49FD-80A5-005B7DE387FE@zelaurent.com> 
	<2ec66f2d0910301249m12f8cffev891aff1ab1f246e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<95b1c3780910301425o448d300w506bc3e83799a6d1@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ff82f7880911020628n21b5abcbr3ddf09257022c138@mail.gmail.com> 
	<95b1c3780911020659m5aca70eey1a46d3014a10528f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ff82f7880911020827r29177441u1e5eaa5daab6f8f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911021038u291eccadg7643f1994d357832@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jason --
That's the idea, as far as I know.  I'm not part of the dev team, but
they're doing an admirable job of keeping the community in the loop through
the dev site: http://dev.wifidog.org

I don't think anyone knows how soon it'll be stable enough to run on a
production network -- sooner with more people working on development and
testing, surely!  <smile>

Gabe


On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:27 AM, jason roks <jason at wirelesstoronto.ca>wrote:

> please explain what you mean by a "wordpress plugin"?
>
> So, does that mean the WifiDog2 (WD2) plugin for wprdpress would be
> installed into Wordpress and pass data, config and auth from WD2 to a venue
> portal developed in Wordpress?
>
> In hopefully more simple terms, does this mean someone can use a wordpress
> install on a third party host as the portal page for a HotSpot Venue and
> seamlessly work with WD2?
>
> Please correct me where I'm wrong?
>
> What is the rough ETA on WD2 and the WP Plugin so we can get an idea on
> timescapes.
>
> Best,
>
> Jason
> -
>
>
> 2009/11/2 Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>
>
> Yay!
>>
>> To be clear: the next wifidog doesn't *use* wordpress; it features an
>> API so that anyone can build a plugin for any cms.  A wordpress plugin
>> will be created by the wifidog dev team, though.  They're actively
>> looking for helpers, and the working spec is on the dev wiki:
>> dev.wifidog.org.
>>
>> Gabe
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 2, 2009, jason roks <jason at wirelesstoronto.ca> wrote:
>> > I'm very pleased, in fact ecstatic to hear wifidog2.0 will use
>> Wordpress. w0000t!. thank gawd!... finally a decent CMS. Wordpress has only
>> gotten better in the past few years and the familiarity of the admin control
>> panel will be welcome by all who are tasked with Portal Content Management.
>> The vast pallet of plugins, tweaks and modules offers a lot of kool options.
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm once again excited and reinvigorated about portal pages --
>> ultimately the reason I helped start WT with you all in the first place.
>> > Count me in.
>> > Jason
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2009/10/30 Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '
>> gabe at pwd.ca');>>
>> >
>> >
>> > This is mostly for Mo, but of interest to all of us.  (Summary: ISF is
>> creating a portal page working group, to help them figure out how to handle
>> external requests for portal page partnerships, and to manage the transition
>> to the new WordPress-based CMS that they'll eventually be using once WifiDog
>> 2.0 is out.)
>> >
>> > Gabe
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Michael Lenczner <mlenczner at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'mlenczner at gmail.com');>>
>> > Date: 2009/10/30
>> > Subject: Re: [isf-vol] Groupe de travail: Gestion du contenu des pages
>> portail
>> > To: Volontaires Ile sans Fil <volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org>
>> >
>> >
>> > Alright - I'm happy to take this on.  I'll send an email to some of
>> > the culprits that I think are part of this conversation (Sylvain,
>> > Alexis) but please contact me if you are interested in attending a
>> > working meeting to gather info for a plan to propose to the rest of
>> > the organization + board.  I imagine that we'll definitely need to
>> > coordinate with Genevi?ve.
>> >
>> > It will involve talking with Wireless Toronto and ZapQuebec to see
>> > what our allies are up to vis-a-vis content.
>> >
>> > I haven't done much (or anything really) with content in the last year
>> > and a half, but before then I was one of the main managers of the
>> > $25,000 MDCN project that got us our server and then the person who
>> > initiated and managed the $25,000 contract we did with Canada Council
>> > for the Arts - that let us give money to ZapQuebec and Wireless
>> > Toronto.  I've also initiated and managed 15+ other smaller content
>> > projects with ISF (including Elections07).  Check out the projects
>> > page if you're not familiar with them -
>> > http://www.ilesansfil.org/projets/
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > 2009/10/29 Laurent Maisonnave <laurent at zelaurent.com <javascript:_e({},
>> 'cvml', 'laurent at zelaurent.com');>>:
>> >> ?le sans fil re?oit de plus en plus de demandes pour pr?senter du
>> contenu
>> >> sur ses pages portail. De par le pass?, plusieurs projets de contenus
>> ont
>> >> ?t? d?velopp?s par ISF, principalement gr?ce ? Michael Lenczner.
>> >> Comme vous le savez sans doute, ISF travaille ? la refonte de Wifidog,
>> le
>> >> logiciel  qui g?re notre r?seau. La nouvelle version, dite 2.0, devrait
>> >> offrir une API ouverte pour faciliter le branchement de CMS (syst?me de
>> >> gestion de contenu de type Wordpress). Ces m?mes CMS nous faciliteront
>> >> grandement la t?che pour publier simplement du contenu dynamique sur
>> nos
>> >> pages portails.
>> >> Afin de r?pondre au mieux aux demandes qui nous sont envoy?es, et pour
>> >> pr?parer une vision claire de l'?volution des pages portail d'ISF, nous
>> >> mettons en place un groupe de travail pour la gestion du contenu.
>> >> ?tant donn? son exp?rience sur la mise en place de projet de contenu
>> avec le
>> >> milieu culturel et universitaire, Michael Lenzner est la personne toute
>> >> d?sign?e pour  avoir la responsabilit? de ce groupe. Michael a pour
>> mission
>> >> de coordonner les demandes et le travail des b?n?voles. Je vous invite
>> ? le
>> >> contacter pour participer activement ? ce groupe de travail.
>> >> Merci pour votre aide.
>> >>
>> >> Laurent
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Volontaires mailing list
>> >> Volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org
>> >> http://listes.ilesansfil.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volontaires
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Volontaires mailing list
>> > Volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org
>> > http://listes.ilesansfil.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volontaires
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > wirelesstoronto-board mailing list
>> > wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> >
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> wirelesstoronto-board mailing list
>> wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board
>>
>
>
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From michelle at kasprzak.ca  Thu Nov  5 06:54:15 2009
From: michelle at kasprzak.ca (Michelle Kasprzak)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:54:15 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Next Wireless Toronto Volunteer
	Meeting!
In-Reply-To: <4AE5FD53.60509@utoronto.ca>
References: <866cd2e90910261114p31b7787bh2d4dadc602d84208@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE5FD53.60509@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <db958030911050354m50f91761g6bdbfd4cc8185bb3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
As you might remember, in the summer update email that Gabe sent out mention
was made of a public art project, In-Site Toronto, that WT is taking part
in.

To recap, In-Site Toronto will be a collection of new art projects presented
on the portal pages of wifi hotspots in the WT network. Once the project is
developed, the current start page that WT users see when they log in will be
a platform to showcase newly-commissioned media art at selected hotspots.
Six artists (Jeremy Bailey, Swintak, Brian Joseph Davis, Kelly Mark, Dave
Dyment, and Fedora Romita) are at work right now on their concepts, and the
works will be displayed on the network starting early next year.  In-Site
Toronto is produced by Year Zero One, supported by the Canada Council, and
curated by yours truly (I also piloted a similar project on Montreal's Ile
Sans Fil network a few years ago). Now that production has kicked off, I'll
be sending emails to this list with regular updates on the project.

The benefits and challenges of using the portal page and the WT network as a
method of displaying art are many and it's crucial to get the artists
together with the WT volunteers that make the network happen, especially at
this time, when the artists are still working on their concepts.

So a discussion about the project has been added to the end of the agenda
for the volunteer meeting on Nov 9th, and the artists will be coming to the*
*meeting part of the way through. Unfortunately I will not be there but I do
look forward to hearing a recap from others.

I hope you enjoy meeting the artists! If you have any questions about the
project in general don't hesitate to drop me a line.
Best,
MK



On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jon Alexander <jon.alexander at utoronto.ca>wrote:

>  Thanks Michele -- count me in.
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Alexander
> w.416.348.9710.x3039
> c.416.805.4332
>
>
>
> Michele Perras wrote:
>
> Hey everyone!
>
>  The next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting will be on Monday November
> 9th, from 5:45-8pm at the Centre for Social Innovation (Ste 120).
>
>  We haven't met in a while, so it's a great time to come out if
> you've never been to one of our meetings.  We'll catch everyone up on
> what we've been up to, and talk about some opportunities this spring
> and summer.  Lots of ways to get involved, for designers, techies, writers,
> community folks, etc.
>
>  Generally speaking, we'll be talking about the following:
>
>  Intros
> Overview of Wireless Toronto and Goals
> Updates from WT Board members
> New business and ideas
>
>
>  Hope to see you there!
>  Cheers,
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
>  michele perras
> 416/805/8661
> twitter: @michele_perras
> skype: michele perras
> blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com
> links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_
>
> do or do not, there is no try
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing listwirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.cahttp://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>
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>
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>


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From dory.kornfeld at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 07:48:58 2009
From: dory.kornfeld at gmail.com (Dory Kornfeld)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:48:58 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Next Wireless Toronto Volunteer
	Meeting!
In-Reply-To: <db958030911050354m50f91761g6bdbfd4cc8185bb3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <866cd2e90910261114p31b7787bh2d4dadc602d84208@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE5FD53.60509@utoronto.ca>
	<db958030911050354m50f91761g6bdbfd4cc8185bb3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54DC1DC1-2E42-4EDD-A866-E51E6CB9AAEF@gmail.com>

You know that InSite is the name of the safe injection stie in  
Vancouver, right?

Is the co-naming of this project intentional?

Dory



On Nov 5, 2009, at 6:54 AM, Michelle Kasprzak wrote:

> Hello all,
> As you might remember, in the summer update email that Gabe sent out  
> mention was made of a public art project, In-Site Toronto, that WT  
> is taking part in.
>
> To recap, In-Site Toronto will be a collection of new art projects  
> presented on the portal pages of wifi hotspots in the WT network.  
> Once the project is developed, the current start page that WT users  
> see when they log in will be a platform to showcase newly- 
> commissioned media art at selected hotspots. Six artists (Jeremy  
> Bailey, Swintak, Brian Joseph Davis, Kelly Mark, Dave Dyment, and  
> Fedora Romita) are at work right now on their concepts, and the  
> works will be displayed on the network starting early next year.  In- 
> Site Toronto is produced by Year Zero One, supported by the Canada  
> Council, and curated by yours truly (I also piloted a similar  
> project on Montreal's Ile Sans Fil network a few years ago). Now  
> that production has kicked off, I'll be sending emails to this list  
> with regular updates on the project.
>
> The benefits and challenges of using the portal page and the WT  
> network as a method of displaying art are many and it's crucial to  
> get the artists together with the WT volunteers that make the  
> network happen, especially at this time, when the artists are still  
> working on their concepts.
>
> So a discussion about the project has been added to the end of the  
> agenda for the volunteer meeting on Nov 9th, and the artists will be  
> coming to the meeting part of the way through. Unfortunately I will  
> not be there but I do look forward to hearing a recap from others.
>
> I hope you enjoy meeting the artists! If you have any questions  
> about the project in general don't hesitate to drop me a line.
> Best,
> MK
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jon Alexander <jon.alexander at utoronto.ca 
> > wrote:
> Thanks Michele -- count me in.
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Alexander
> w.416.348.9710.x3039
> c.416.805.4332
>
>
> Michele Perras wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone!
>>
>> The next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting will be on Monday  
>> November 9th, from 5:45-8pm at the Centre for Social Innovation  
>> (Ste 120).
>>
>> We haven't met in a while, so it's a great time to come out if  
>> you've never been to one of our meetings.  We'll catch everyone up  
>> on what we've been up to, and talk about some opportunities this  
>> spring and summer.  Lots of ways to get involved, for designers,  
>> techies, writers, community folks, etc.
>>
>> Generally speaking, we'll be talking about the following:
>>
>> Intros
>> Overview of Wireless Toronto and Goals
>> Updates from WT Board members
>> New business and ideas
>>
>>
>> Hope to see you there!
>> Cheers,
>> Michele
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> michele perras
>> 416/805/8661
>> twitter: @michele_perras
>> skype: michele perras
>> blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com
>> links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_
>>
>> do or do not, there is no try
>> _______________________________________________
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Michelle Kasprzak - Curator & Writer
>
> http://curating.info
> http://michelle.kasprzak.ca
> http://twitter.com/mkasprzak
>
>
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From michelle at kasprzak.ca  Thu Nov  5 08:16:40 2009
From: michelle at kasprzak.ca (Michelle Kasprzak)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:16:40 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Next Wireless Toronto Volunteer
	Meeting!
In-Reply-To: <54DC1DC1-2E42-4EDD-A866-E51E6CB9AAEF@gmail.com>
References: <866cd2e90910261114p31b7787bh2d4dadc602d84208@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE5FD53.60509@utoronto.ca>
	<db958030911050354m50f91761g6bdbfd4cc8185bb3@mail.gmail.com>
	<54DC1DC1-2E42-4EDD-A866-E51E6CB9AAEF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <db958030911050516i35a0148ere79b083b7f1bc1c1@mail.gmail.com>

No, I didn't know about this specific example, but there are dozens of
things with the name, ranging from an IT consultancy to a youth
magazine to a research group.
As the project is not taking place in Vancouver I don't imagine there
will be a conflict but interested to hear if you think otherwise.
MK

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Dory Kornfeld <dory.kornfeld at gmail.com> wrote:
> You know that InSite is the name of the safe injection stie in Vancouver,
> right?
> Is the co-naming of this project intentional?
> Dory
>
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2009, at 6:54 AM, Michelle Kasprzak wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> As you might remember, in the summer update email that Gabe sent out mention
> was made of a public art project, In-Site Toronto, that WT is taking part
> in.
>
> To recap, In-Site Toronto will be a collection of new art projects presented
> on the portal pages of wifi hotspots in the WT network. Once the project is
> developed, the current start page that WT users see when they log in will be
> a platform to showcase newly-commissioned media art at selected hotspots.
> Six artists (Jeremy Bailey, Swintak, Brian Joseph Davis, Kelly Mark, Dave
> Dyment, and Fedora Romita) are at work right now on their concepts, and the
> works will be displayed on the network starting early next year. ?In-Site
> Toronto is produced by Year Zero One, supported by the Canada Council, and
> curated by yours truly (I also piloted a similar project on Montreal's Ile
> Sans Fil network a few years ago). Now that production has kicked off, I'll
> be sending emails to this list with regular updates on the project.
>
> The benefits and challenges of using the portal page and the WT network as a
> method of displaying art are many and it's crucial to get the artists
> together with the WT volunteers that make the network happen, especially at
> this time, when the artists are still working on their concepts.
>
> So a discussion about the project has been added to the end of the agenda
> for the volunteer meeting on Nov 9th, and the artists will be coming to the
> meeting part of the way through. Unfortunately I will not be there but I do
> look forward to hearing a recap from others.
>
> I hope you enjoy meeting the artists! If you have any questions about the
> project in general don't hesitate to drop me a line.
> Best,
> MK
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Jon Alexander <jon.alexander at utoronto.ca>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Michele -- count me in.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> Jon Alexander
>> w.416.348.9710.x3039
>> c.416.805.4332
>>
>>
>> Michele Perras wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone!
>> The next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting will be on Monday?November
>> 9th, from 5:45-8pm at the Centre for Social Innovation (Ste 120).
>> We haven't met in a while, so it's a great time to come out if
>> you've?never been to one of our meetings.? We'll catch everyone up on
>> what?we've been up to, and talk about some opportunities this spring
>> and?summer.? Lots of ways to get involved, for designers, techies,?writers,
>> community folks, etc.
>> Generally speaking, we'll be talking about the following:
>> Intros
>> Overview of Wireless Toronto and Goals
>> Updates from WT Board members
>> New business and ideas
>>
>> Hope to see you there!
>> Cheers,
>> Michele
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> michele perras
>> 416/805/8661
>> twitter: @michele_perras
>> skype: michele perras
>> blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com
>> links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_
>>
>> do or do not, there is no try
>>
>> ________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
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>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>>
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>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>
>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Michelle Kasprzak - Curator & Writer
>
> http://curating.info
> http://michelle.kasprzak.ca
> http://twitter.com/mkasprzak
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>
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>
>



-- 
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http://curating.info
http://michelle.kasprzak.ca
http://twitter.com/mkasprzak


From gabe at pwd.ca  Mon Nov  9 10:13:30 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:13:30 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT blog: Another attempt at Toronto muni
	wifi?
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911090713h2cd0bb44s7e44f6003003f108@mail.gmail.com>

http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/09/another-attempt-at-toronto-muni-wifi/

Another attempt at Toronto muni
wifi?<http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/09/another-attempt-at-toronto-muni-wifi/>
November
9th, 2009 by Gabe

At today?s Government Management Committee meeting, a report will be
received updating the committee on three public policy initiatives:

   1. Setting up a ?Meraki-style? mesh network in one of the priority
   neighbourhoods.
   2. Allowing the Oxford Group to install free-to-use, sponsored public
   Internet terminals in one of the priority neighbourhoods.
   3. Setting up free-to-use public wifi at City Hall and in
   publicly-accessible areas in other city buildings.

The report is here; it?s quite good, actually:
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25011.pdf

In addition, the committee invited (through an RFI) ?major leaders in the
Wireless marketplace? to ?present an overview of their Wireless strategic
directions and plans.? Each will have 15-20 minutes to present. There?s a
bit of info on this here:
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25060.pdf

Item 26.21 is scheduled for 1:30pm, and the meeting is in Committee Room 1;
I hope to be there.

?
As I mentioned, I think the Staff Report is pretty good ? it?s the first
City document I?ve seen that shows a realistic approach to public wifi. Some
highlights & thoughts:
Read the rest of this entry
?<http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/09/another-attempt-at-toronto-muni-wifi/#more-252>
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From hilary.krupa at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 11:38:07 2009
From: hilary.krupa at gmail.com (hilary krupa)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:38:07 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Reminder - Wireless Toronto Volunteer
	Meeting Tonight Nov 9!
Message-ID: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone!

This is a last-minute reminder that you are cordially invited to join us
tonight, Monday November 9th from 5:45 - 8:00pm-ish at the Centre for Social
Innovation, 215 Spadina Avenue (Ste 120) - http://socialinnovation.ca/.

We'll bring you up-to-speed on what we've been up to, and talk about some
interesting opportunities that have come our way.






And don't forget that there are lots of ways to get involved, for designers,
techies, writers, community folks, etc.

Here are some highlights of what we'll be talking about tonight:

-- Introduction of the new board
-- Project Overviews:
---- In-Site Toronto: brief overview, artist intro and project briefs
---- Wireless Toronto's new website
---- John Street
-- Toronto muni wifi report

And of course, discussion will continue over drinks after the meeting for
all those who want to talk more Wireless Toronto over a beer.

Join our Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/WirelessToronto
Read our blog: http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/

Hope to see you there!
Hilary


-- 
Hilary Krupa
416-417-7878
hilary.krupa at gmail.com
twitter: @hkrupa
skype: hilhilhil
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From nkovats at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 14:55:00 2009
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:55:00 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT blog: Another attempt at Toronto
	muni wifi?
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780911090713h2cd0bb44s7e44f6003003f108@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911090713h2cd0bb44s7e44f6003003f108@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b6a82ad0911091155t4e0dd945n91b8c5380cf69947@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List.

Building "meshes" is no easy task as close proximity of wireless nodes
can cause issues. The City of Toronto staff are a bit naive to see it
as a plug and play attempt.

Users will not utilize the network if they can't get reasonable access
to their local internet gateway.

Has anyone been tracking the Village Telco project? i.e.

http://www.villagetelco.org/villagetelco/about/

Mock up of the prototype, i.e.

http://www.villagetelco.org/villagetelco/about/

These guys are very serious about wireless mesh, hardware and voice.
One of the co-founders has real world low cost Asterisk embedded
fanless Linux hardware for sale. They have working prototype
"potatoes" and are running actual tests, i.e. wireless APs in 2-3 hop
meshes at the moment utilizing the Batman routing protocol. They are
finalizing antenna design. They have a super dense technical
discussion list including people from FreiFunk in Germany.

They are focusing on keeping all this as cheap as possible and
completely open - hardware and software.

So basically web based administration of single radio meshes w/
ethernet (WAN) + Analog Telephony Adapter ( fxs port for analog
phone). Yep. Analog phones.

But the backend can be connected to Asterisk or the new Asterisk +
open source GSM software called OpenBTS, i.e.
http://openbts.sourceforge.net/

OpenBTS just cleared legal hurdles with the GSM developers and were
operating a test site at the recent Burning Man Festival.

I am also aware of research whereas you can cluster single radios
separated by an approx. foot whereas two radios are for backend
(non-interference) with 802.11a and the other two are regular 802.11g
clients. Interconnect the APs via ethernet. Then utilizing directional
antennas to start connecting all these stationary mesh nodes, i.e. 2 -
4 radios per mesh node.

Good to see the list still talking.

Nicholas K.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/09/another-attempt-at-toronto-muni-wifi/
>
> Another attempt at Toronto muni wifi?
>
> November 9th, 2009 by Gabe
>
> At today?s Government Management Committee meeting, a report will be
> received updating the committee on three public policy initiatives:
>
> Setting up a ?Meraki-style? mesh network in one of the priority
> neighbourhoods.
> Allowing the Oxford Group to install free-to-use, sponsored public Internet
> terminals in one of the priority neighbourhoods.
> Setting up free-to-use public wifi at City Hall and in publicly-accessible
> areas in other city buildings.
>
> The report is here; it?s quite good, actually:
> http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25011.pdf
>
> In addition, the committee invited (through an RFI) ?major leaders in the
> Wireless marketplace? to ?present an overview of their Wireless strategic
> directions and plans.? Each will have 15-20 minutes to present. There?s a
> bit of info on this here:
> http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25060.pdf
>
> Item 26.21 is scheduled for 1:30pm, and the meeting is in Committee Room 1;
> I hope to be there.
>
> ?
>
> As I mentioned, I think the Staff Report is pretty good ? it?s the first
> City document I?ve seen that shows a realistic approach to public wifi. Some
> highlights & thoughts:
> Read the rest of this entry ?
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
>


From michael at monkeycycle.org  Tue Nov 10 08:52:51 2009
From: michael at monkeycycle.org (Michael Pereira)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:52:51 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the public
	site and portal pages
In-Reply-To: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2372564D-7B29-4532-9F64-BE8C4FD50D8E@monkeycycle.org>


Hello all that came to last night's meeting
	(& those that meant to)

We've been thinking and talking for a while now about a revamp of both  
the public site and our captive portal pages. The time has come to  
produce.

By way of some background, we're looking at replacing the current  
public site with a Wordpress install that will let us serve our three  
main audiences: users, venues, and group supporters. Users will gain  
easier access to account management, venues get a spiffy profile, and  
supporters -- well opportunities to support.

We'll also bring in some shiny new media bits like twitter feeds,  
badges to adorn ourselves online, and yet-to-be-determined-but- 
undoubtedly-brilliant-thing that some smarmy 20 year old releases and  
forever changes how we interact.

The other big slice of this is to put some polish on our portal pages  
including using venue profiles and incorporating dynamic (& site- 
specific) elements.

It'll be cool. Cooler still because this will position us for the next  
big release of our beloved WiFido.g which looks like it'll have  
Wordpress integration/support built-in.

If you can code, we need you.
If you can command Photoshop and Illustrator (or GIMP & Inkscape), we  
need you.
If you can write strong copy, we need you.
If you can take amazing pictures, we need you.

If you're interested in helping out, we need you.

Let's kick things off next week with a meeting and, depending on  
numbers & energy levels, something tangible to behold. We'll look at  
pretty things, discuss the plans, figure out next steps, and assign  
some roles/responsibilities.

************************************************************

Proposed dates and times are next Tuesday 17th or Wednesday 18th,  
either late afternoon (3:30/4:00) or early evening (5:30) for a couple  
hours. And then, as per tradition, we can grab a drink and pint nearby.

For central convenience, let's meet at 215 Spadina -- Dark Horse for  
now or a room upstairs if we're many in number.

************************************************************

If you're interested please speak up on the list or contact me  
directly, letting us know which bits you're interested in and what you  
availability is like. Thanks!





all good things,
michael


=============
Michael Pereira
Wireless Toronto
wirelesstoronto.ca


email:	michael at wirelesstoronto.ca
skype: 	monkeycycle
mobile: 	416-821-5081


(((-free community wifi-)))


From daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 10 09:14:14 2009
From: daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com (Daryl Hobbs)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:14:14 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the
 public	site and portal pages
In-Reply-To: <2372564D-7B29-4532-9F64-BE8C4FD50D8E@monkeycycle.org>
References: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU121-W8557AFEBD64BAE603125F86AB0@phx.gbl>


Hi Michael
I have been subscribing to your newsletter for about 2 years and I have not attended any of your meeting because the community computer site I manage was not ready to have public sites or portals. Although we have a total of 4 routers operating, bell, linksys, d-link and belkin n1 I understand in order to install your software we must have a certain kind of router?
The reason I am contacting you is I believe we are on the verge of expanding our concept to other communities in Toronto Community Housing and this may be an excellent way for our future sites to access the internet etc...
I believe Gabe was at the meeting and he may be able to expalin what we are trying to accomplish.
Thanks and have a great day,
Daryl

> From: michael at monkeycycle.org
> To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:52:51 -0500
> Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the public	site and portal pages
> 
> 
> Hello all that came to last night's meeting
> 	(& those that meant to)
> 
> We've been thinking and talking for a while now about a revamp of both  
> the public site and our captive portal pages. The time has come to  
> produce.
> 
> By way of some background, we're looking at replacing the current  
> public site with a Wordpress install that will let us serve our three  
> main audiences: users, venues, and group supporters. Users will gain  
> easier access to account management, venues get a spiffy profile, and  
> supporters -- well opportunities to support.
> 
> We'll also bring in some shiny new media bits like twitter feeds,  
> badges to adorn ourselves online, and yet-to-be-determined-but- 
> undoubtedly-brilliant-thing that some smarmy 20 year old releases and  
> forever changes how we interact.
> 
> The other big slice of this is to put some polish on our portal pages  
> including using venue profiles and incorporating dynamic (& site- 
> specific) elements.
> 
> It'll be cool. Cooler still because this will position us for the next  
> big release of our beloved WiFido.g which looks like it'll have  
> Wordpress integration/support built-in.
> 
> If you can code, we need you.
> If you can command Photoshop and Illustrator (or GIMP & Inkscape), we  
> need you.
> If you can write strong copy, we need you.
> If you can take amazing pictures, we need you.
> 
> If you're interested in helping out, we need you.
> 
> Let's kick things off next week with a meeting and, depending on  
> numbers & energy levels, something tangible to behold. We'll look at  
> pretty things, discuss the plans, figure out next steps, and assign  
> some roles/responsibilities.
> 
> ************************************************************
> 
> Proposed dates and times are next Tuesday 17th or Wednesday 18th,  
> either late afternoon (3:30/4:00) or early evening (5:30) for a couple  
> hours. And then, as per tradition, we can grab a drink and pint nearby.
> 
> For central convenience, let's meet at 215 Spadina -- Dark Horse for  
> now or a room upstairs if we're many in number.
> 
> ************************************************************
> 
> If you're interested please speak up on the list or contact me  
> directly, letting us know which bits you're interested in and what you  
> availability is like. Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> all good things,
> michael
> 
> 
> =============
> Michael Pereira
> Wireless Toronto
> wirelesstoronto.ca
> 
> 
> email:	michael at wirelesstoronto.ca
> skype: 	monkeycycle
> mobile: 	416-821-5081
> 
> 
> (((-free community wifi-)))
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
 		 	   		  
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Nov 10 15:14:15 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:14:15 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Gabe's notes from yesterday's Government
	Management Committee meeting
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911101214h3ddf5526t6626a01a5c3ff698@mail.gmail.com>

At last night's meeting Jon asked me for a copy of my notes.  They're highly
opinionated so I'm hesitant to post them to this list (which is publicly
archived).  If you're interested, just drop me an email.

Gabe
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Nov 10 16:26:06 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:26:06 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911101326s4735c1f8g8acfd1e75fe8160a@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going to be installing a hotspot tomorrow at The 3 Brewers, just south
of Yonge and Dundas, in the afternoon (3ish?).  If anyone's interested in
coming along, just let me know.  I expect that it'll be pretty quick -- no
more than 30-40 minutes.

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From omid.saadatfard at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 16:36:22 2009
From: omid.saadatfard at gmail.com (Omid Saadatfard)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:36:22 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780911101326s4735c1f8g8acfd1e75fe8160a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911101326s4735c1f8g8acfd1e75fe8160a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1ecfd170911101336m530a9347y9bc06c2f669f94e@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be there. I haven't installed a hot spot before so it's a good
opportunity for me to get hands on experince.

/omid

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> I'm going to be installing a hotspot tomorrow at The 3 Brewers, just south
> of Yonge and Dundas, in the afternoon (3ish?).  If anyone's interested in
> coming along, just let me know.  I expect that it'll be pretty quick -- no
> more than 30-40 minutes.
>
> Gabe
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Nov 10 16:43:29 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:43:29 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the
	public site and portal pages
In-Reply-To: <BLU121-W8557AFEBD64BAE603125F86AB0@phx.gbl>
References: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2372564D-7B29-4532-9F64-BE8C4FD50D8E@monkeycycle.org>
	<BLU121-W8557AFEBD64BAE603125F86AB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911101343n1d389abtc11f639f8ae6004@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Daryl --
Yup, I was at the Government Management Committee meeting yesterday -- fun
times!  <smile>

The model we use for Wireless Toronto is based on each venue paying a $50
annual network membership fee -- that's the only regular revenue source that
the group has, and we need it to make sure that we can cover our costs.  But
that model was designed assuming that our venues are places that have some
budget available to cover that cost.  When individuals or community groups
want to host a Wireless Toronto hotspot, our model starts getting awkward.

That said, it'd be great to work with you, so let's try to find a way to do
it.

Gabe


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Daryl Hobbs <daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  Hi Michael
> I have been subscribing to your newsletter for about 2 years and I have not
> attended any of your meeting because the community computer site I manage
> was not ready to have public sites or portals. Although we have a total of 4
> routers operating, bell, linksys, d-link and belkin n1 I understand in order
> to install your software we must have a certain kind of router?
> The reason I am contacting you is I believe we are on the verge of
> expanding our concept to other communities in Toronto Community Housing and
> this may be an excellent way for our future sites to access the internet
> etc...
> I believe Gabe was at the meeting and he may be able to expalin what we are
> trying to accomplish.
> Thanks and have a great day,
> Daryl
>
> > From: michael at monkeycycle.org
> > To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:52:51 -0500
> > Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the
> public site and portal pages
>
> >
> >
> > Hello all that came to last night's meeting
> > (& those that meant to)
> >
> > We've been thinking and talking for a while now about a revamp of both
> > the public site and our captive portal pages. The time has come to
> > produce.
> >
> > By way of some background, we're looking at replacing the current
> > public site with a Wordpress install that will let us serve our three
> > main audiences: users, venues, and group supporters. Users will gain
> > easier access to account management, venues get a spiffy profile, and
> > supporters -- well opportunities to support.
> >
> > We'll also bring in some shiny new media bits like twitter feeds,
> > badges to adorn ourselves online, and yet-to-be-determined-but-
> > undoubtedly-brilliant-thing that some smarmy 20 year old releases and
> > forever changes how we interact.
> >
> > The other big slice of this is to put some polish on our portal pages
> > including using venue profiles and incorporating dynamic (& site-
> > specific) elements.
> >
> > It'll be cool. Cooler still because this will position us for the next
> > big release of our beloved WiFido.g which looks like it'll have
> > Wordpress integration/support built-in.
> >
> > If you can code, we need you.
> > If you can command Photoshop and Illustrator (or GIMP & Inkscape), we
> > need you.
> > If you can write strong copy, we need you.
> > If you can take amazing pictures, we need you.
> >
> > If you're interested in helping out, we need you.
> >
> > Let's kick things off next week with a meeting and, depending on
> > numbers & energy levels, something tangible to behold. We'll look at
> > pretty things, discuss the plans, figure out next steps, and assign
> > some roles/responsibilities.
> >
> > ************************************************************
> >
> > Proposed dates and times are next Tuesday 17th or Wednesday 18th,
> > either late afternoon (3:30/4:00) or early evening (5:30) for a couple
> > hours. And then, as per tradition, we can grab a drink and pint nearby.
> >
> > For central convenience, let's meet at 215 Spadina -- Dark Horse for
> > now or a room upstairs if we're many in number.
> >
> > ************************************************************
> >
> > If you're interested please speak up on the list or contact me
> > directly, letting us know which bits you're interested in and what you
> > availability is like. Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > all good things,
> > michael
> >
> >
> > =============
> > Michael Pereira
> > Wireless Toronto
> > wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
> >
> > email: michael at wirelesstoronto.ca
> > skype: monkeycycle
> > mobile: 416-821-5081
> >
> >
> > (((-free community wifi-)))
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> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> >
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From mo at alnuaimy.com  Tue Nov 10 16:59:35 2009
From: mo at alnuaimy.com (M. Al-Nuaimy)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:59:35 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation
In-Reply-To: <b1ecfd170911101336m530a9347y9bc06c2f669f94e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911101326s4735c1f8g8acfd1e75fe8160a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b1ecfd170911101336m530a9347y9bc06c2f669f94e@mail.gmail.com>
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I also need the experience. count me in.



On 2009-11-10, at 4:36 PM, Omid Saadatfard <omid.saadatfard at gmail.com>
wrote:

I'll be there. I haven't installed a hot spot before so it's a good
opportunity for me to get hands on experince.

/omid

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> I'm going to be installing a hotspot tomorrow at The 3 Brewers, just south
> of Yonge and Dundas, in the afternoon (3ish?).  If anyone's interested in
> coming along, just let me know.  I expect that it'll be pretty quick -- no
> more than 30-40 minutes.
>
> Gabe
>
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> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Tue Nov 10 17:17:10 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:10 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT blog: Another attempt at Toronto
	muni wifi?
In-Reply-To: <7b6a82ad0911091155t4e0dd945n91b8c5380cf69947@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911090713h2cd0bb44s7e44f6003003f108@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7b6a82ad0911091155t4e0dd945n91b8c5380cf69947@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911101417v2eab861fx2f4f38ca0993223c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!  I've been keeping on eye on the VillageTelco Mesh Potato project --
they're doing amazing work.  The problem they're working on is quite
different from what we do, but certainly we all stand to gain from better
open source mesh.

Meraki's FreeTheNet network in San Francisco is often cited as a
surprisingly big and stable mesh, with many repeaters installed in "unideal"
locations by people with no particular knowledge of mesh networking.  But
because it's a privately-run network, we don't have much info on how it
really works.  The idea is understandably seductive!

Gabe


On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi List.
>
> Building "meshes" is no easy task as close proximity of wireless nodes
> can cause issues. The City of Toronto staff are a bit naive to see it
> as a plug and play attempt.
>
> Users will not utilize the network if they can't get reasonable access
> to their local internet gateway.
>
> Has anyone been tracking the Village Telco project? i.e.
>
> http://www.villagetelco.org/villagetelco/about/
>
> Mock up of the prototype, i.e.
>
> http://www.villagetelco.org/villagetelco/about/
>
> These guys are very serious about wireless mesh, hardware and voice.
> One of the co-founders has real world low cost Asterisk embedded
> fanless Linux hardware for sale. They have working prototype
> "potatoes" and are running actual tests, i.e. wireless APs in 2-3 hop
> meshes at the moment utilizing the Batman routing protocol. They are
> finalizing antenna design. They have a super dense technical
> discussion list including people from FreiFunk in Germany.
>
> They are focusing on keeping all this as cheap as possible and
> completely open - hardware and software.
>
> So basically web based administration of single radio meshes w/
> ethernet (WAN) + Analog Telephony Adapter ( fxs port for analog
> phone). Yep. Analog phones.
>
> But the backend can be connected to Asterisk or the new Asterisk +
> open source GSM software called OpenBTS, i.e.
> http://openbts.sourceforge.net/
>
> OpenBTS just cleared legal hurdles with the GSM developers and were
> operating a test site at the recent Burning Man Festival.
>
> I am also aware of research whereas you can cluster single radios
> separated by an approx. foot whereas two radios are for backend
> (non-interference) with 802.11a and the other two are regular 802.11g
> clients. Interconnect the APs via ethernet. Then utilizing directional
> antennas to start connecting all these stationary mesh nodes, i.e. 2 -
> 4 radios per mesh node.
>
> Good to see the list still talking.
>
> Nicholas K.
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
> >
> http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/09/another-attempt-at-toronto-muni-wifi/
> >
> > Another attempt at Toronto muni wifi?
> >
> > November 9th, 2009 by Gabe
> >
> > At today?s Government Management Committee meeting, a report will be
> > received updating the committee on three public policy initiatives:
> >
> > Setting up a ?Meraki-style? mesh network in one of the priority
> > neighbourhoods.
> > Allowing the Oxford Group to install free-to-use, sponsored public
> Internet
> > terminals in one of the priority neighbourhoods.
> > Setting up free-to-use public wifi at City Hall and in
> publicly-accessible
> > areas in other city buildings.
> >
> > The report is here; it?s quite good, actually:
> > http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25011.pdf
> >
> > In addition, the committee invited (through an RFI) ?major leaders in the
> > Wireless marketplace? to ?present an overview of their Wireless strategic
> > directions and plans.? Each will have 15-20 minutes to present. There?s a
> > bit of info on this here:
> > http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2009/gm/bgrd/backgroundfile-25060.pdf
> >
> > Item 26.21 is scheduled for 1:30pm, and the meeting is in Committee Room
> 1;
> > I hope to be there.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > As I mentioned, I think the Staff Report is pretty good ? it?s the first
> > City document I?ve seen that shows a realistic approach to public wifi.
> Some
> > highlights & thoughts:
> > Read the rest of this entry ?
> >
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From omid.saadatfard at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 18:04:50 2009
From: omid.saadatfard at gmail.com (Omid Saadatfard)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:04:50 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780911101344x2576b425o4657afcdbb42dbad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911101326s4735c1f8g8acfd1e75fe8160a@mail.gmail.com>
	<b1ecfd170911101336m530a9347y9bc06c2f669f94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<95b1c3780911101344x2576b425o4657afcdbb42dbad@mail.gmail.com>
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sounds good.

/omid

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:

> Great!  Maybe let's meet at Dundas Square.  My mobile number is
> 647-222-6677.  Let's meet at, say, 3:15?
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Omid Saadatfard <
> omid.saadatfard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll be there. I haven't installed a hot spot before so it's a good
>> opportunity for me to get hands on experince.
>>
>> /omid
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to be installing a hotspot tomorrow at The 3 Brewers, just
>>> south of Yonge and Dundas, in the afternoon (3ish?).  If anyone's interested
>>> in coming along, just let me know.  I expect that it'll be pretty quick --
>>> no more than 30-40 minutes.
>>>
>>> Gabe
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
>>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>>>
>>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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From daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 11 06:32:20 2009
From: daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com (Daryl Hobbs)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:32:20 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation
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Hi Gabe
I will do my best to be there. 
Thanks,
Daryl

Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:26:06 -0500
From: gabe at pwd.ca
To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] new hotspot installation

I'm going to be installing a hotspot tomorrow at The 3 Brewers, just south of Yonge and Dundas, in the afternoon (3ish?).  If anyone's interested in coming along, just let me know.  I expect that it'll be pretty quick -- no more than 30-40 minutes.


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From daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 11 06:50:31 2009
From: daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com (Daryl Hobbs)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:50:31 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on
	the	public site and portal pages
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780911101343n1d389abtc11f639f8ae6004@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f4e689f0911090838k66c812b3o28a678acc18af641@mail.gmail.com>
	<2372564D-7B29-4532-9F64-BE8C4FD50D8E@monkeycycle.org>
Message-ID: <BLU121-W29833978A58ADF8F13A7C586AA0@phx.gbl>


Hi Gabe
I sent you an email regarding your new HotSpot. As I mentioned I will do my best to be there. I am hoping to bring Jerome as well if it's OK?
I was hoping for some discussion around how we can either learn how you set up the hot spots and talk about what we can do around TCH and community computer sites.
See you today if I'm reading your email correctly.
Call me if you can... 647-231-8081
Daryl

From: gabe at pwd.ca
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:43:29 -0500
To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
Subject: Re: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the	public site and portal pages

Hi Daryl --
Yup, I was at the Government Management Committee meeting yesterday -- fun times!  <smile>

The model we use for Wireless Toronto is based on each venue paying a $50 annual network membership fee -- that's the only regular revenue source that the group has, and we need it to make sure that we can cover our costs.  But that model was designed assuming that our venues are places that have some budget available to cover that cost.  When individuals or community groups want to host a Wireless Toronto hotspot, our model starts getting awkward.



That said, it'd be great to work with you, so let's try to find a way to do it.  

Gabe


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Daryl Hobbs <daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com> wrote:







Hi Michael
I have been subscribing to your newsletter for about 2 years and I have not attended any of your meeting because the community computer site I manage was not ready to have public sites or portals. Although we have a total of 4 routers operating, bell, linksys, d-link and belkin n1 I understand in order to install your software we must have a certain kind of router?


The reason I am contacting you is I believe we are on the verge of expanding our concept to other communities in Toronto Community Housing and this may be an excellent way for our future sites to access the internet etc...


I believe Gabe was at the meeting and he may be able to expalin what we are trying to accomplish.
Thanks and have a great day,
Daryl

> From: michael at monkeycycle.org


> To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:52:51 -0500
> Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Let's meet -- time to work on the public	site and portal pages


> 
> 
> Hello all that came to last night's meeting
> 	(& those that meant to)
> 
> We've been thinking and talking for a while now about a revamp of both  


> the public site and our captive portal pages. The time has come to  
> produce.
> 
> By way of some background, we're looking at replacing the current  
> public site with a Wordpress install that will let us serve our three  


> main audiences: users, venues, and group supporters. Users will gain  
> easier access to account management, venues get a spiffy profile, and  
> supporters -- well opportunities to support.
> 


> We'll also bring in some shiny new media bits like twitter feeds,  
> badges to adorn ourselves online, and yet-to-be-determined-but- 
> undoubtedly-brilliant-thing that some smarmy 20 year old releases and  


> forever changes how we interact.
> 
> The other big slice of this is to put some polish on our portal pages  
> including using venue profiles and incorporating dynamic (& site- 
> specific) elements.


> 
> It'll be cool. Cooler still because this will position us for the next  
> big release of our beloved WiFido.g which looks like it'll have  
> Wordpress integration/support built-in.

> 

> If you can code, we need you.
> If you can command Photoshop and Illustrator (or GIMP & Inkscape), we  
> need you.
> If you can write strong copy, we need you.
> If you can take amazing pictures, we need you.


> 
> If you're interested in helping out, we need you.
> 
> Let's kick things off next week with a meeting and, depending on  
> numbers & energy levels, something tangible to behold. We'll look at  


> pretty things, discuss the plans, figure out next steps, and assign  
> some roles/responsibilities.
> 
> ************************************************************
> 
> Proposed dates and times are next Tuesday 17th or Wednesday 18th,  


> either late afternoon (3:30/4:00) or early evening (5:30) for a couple  
> hours. And then, as per tradition, we can grab a drink and pint nearby.
> 
> For central convenience, let's meet at 215 Spadina -- Dark Horse for  


> now or a room upstairs if we're many in number.
> 
> ************************************************************
> 
> If you're interested please speak up on the list or contact me  


> directly, letting us know which bits you're interested in and what you  
> availability is like. Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> all good things,
> michael
> 
> 


> =============
> Michael Pereira
> Wireless Toronto
> wirelesstoronto.ca
> 
> 
> email:	michael at wirelesstoronto.ca


> skype: 	monkeycycle
> mobile: 	416-821-5081
> 
> 
> (((-free community wifi-)))
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Wed Nov 11 18:06:42 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:06:42 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] [WT blog] New hotspot: The 3 Brewers
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911111506k15011660l30e98c836b9ca932@mail.gmail.com>

http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/11/new-hotspot-the-3-brewers/

New hotspot: The 3
Brewers<http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/11/new-hotspot-the-3-brewers/>

Wireless Toronto?s newest hotspot is at The 3 Brewers, at 275 Yonge St.,
just south of Yonge-Dundas Square. The place is huge, and besides their
brewed-on-site beers, they?re known for their tartes flamb?e (Hilary will be
happy!).

Tip: the wifi is stronger on the lower floors.
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Wed Nov 11 21:26:49 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:49 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT volunteer tech training workshop:
	Monday, November 23
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911111826k7e075e78r3fb32486d64a8cc7@mail.gmail.com>

It's been a while since I ran a router flashing/configuring/troubleshooting
workshop.  So I'm going to do one on Monday the 23rd, at 5:45pm, at 215
Spadina Ave., 4th floor.

The objective of this workshop (for me) is:

   1. To train other folks so that they can help with Wireless Toronto
   router installations and/or to help fix routers that go down.


The objectives of this workshop (for you) are:

   1. To learn how to do some basic stuff, so that you feel comfortable
   "adopting" a Wireless Toronto hotspot near you, and/or help installing new
   Wireless Toronto hotspots.
   2. To learn generally about advanced wifi router configuration.


Here's the tentative plan:

PART 1: Linksys WRT54GL
- Flashing firmware: why and how
- How to set up a router with wifidog for a Wireless Toronto hotspot
- A little bit about the wifidog auth server
- A teensy bit about tweaking settings for better wifi performance
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do

PART 2: Open-mesh
- Mesh networks: what and why
- What I like and don't like about open-mesh
- Compatible hardware
- How to set up a basic open-mesh network
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do

I'm only going to cover concepts and technologies that directly relate to
what Wireless Toronto does.  If you're interested in other stuff too, that's
totally cool -- I'll do my best to answer questions in the workshop, and
we'll have plenty of time to chat about other stuff over drinks afterwards.
It's not imperative that you bring a laptop, but it's a good idea.

If you're interested, but can't make it on the 23rd, email me off-list --
I'm open to scheduling another similar workshop in December or January.  If
people are interested, we can also plan some kind of advanced masterclass or
something.

If you plan to come, drop me an email, just so I have a general idea of how
many people are coming.

Gabe
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Thu Nov 12 13:14:08 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:14:08 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] [WT blog] New hotspot: St. Louis Bar &
	Grill at Fairview Mall
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911121014o1d94659x64960acc4a453dae@mail.gmail.com>

http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/12/new-hotspot-st-louis-bar-grill-at-fairview-mall/

New hotspot: St. Louis Bar & Grill at Fairview
Mall<http://wirelesstoronto.ca/blog/2009/11/12/new-hotspot-st-louis-bar-grill-at-fairview-mall/>
November
12th, 2009 by Gabe

The St. Louis Bar & Grill at Atrium on Bay has been a Wireless Toronto
hotspot since it opened, just over two years ago. A new location has just
opened this week, at Fairview Mall, and it?s now a WT hotspot too. Nice
people, lots of TVs, and it looks like they?ll have a great patio in the
spring.

Tip: you can?t actually get to it directly through the mall, you have to go
outside. It?s on the southwest side, near Sears.
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From scobie995 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 12 21:47:51 2009
From: scobie995 at hotmail.com (H. B.)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:47:51 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT volunteer tech training
	workshop:	Monday, November 23
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Will attend.

Harold
 


From: gabe at pwd.ca
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:49 -0500
To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT volunteer tech training workshop: Monday, November 23

It's been a while since I ran a router flashing/configuring/troubleshooting workshop.  So I'm going to do one on Monday the 23rd, at 5:45pm, at 215 Spadina Ave., 4th floor.

The objective of this workshop (for me) is:


To train other folks so that they can help with Wireless Toronto router installations and/or to help fix routers that go down.
The objectives of this workshop (for you) are:


To learn how to do some basic stuff, so that you feel comfortable "adopting" a Wireless Toronto hotspot near you, and/or help installing new Wireless Toronto hotspots.
To learn generally about advanced wifi router configuration.
Here's the tentative plan:

PART 1: Linksys WRT54GL
- Flashing firmware: why and how
- How to set up a router with wifidog for a Wireless Toronto hotspot
- A little bit about the wifidog auth server
- A teensy bit about tweaking settings for better wifi performance
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do

PART 2: Open-mesh
- Mesh networks: what and why
- What I like and don't like about open-mesh
- Compatible hardware
- How to set up a basic open-mesh network
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do

I'm only going to cover concepts and technologies that directly relate to what Wireless Toronto does.  If you're interested in other stuff too, that's totally cool -- I'll do my best to answer questions in the workshop, and we'll have plenty of time to chat about other stuff over drinks afterwards.  It's not imperative that you bring a laptop, but it's a good idea.  

If you're interested, but can't make it on the 23rd, email me off-list -- I'm open to scheduling another similar workshop in December or January.  If people are interested, we can also plan some kind of advanced masterclass or something.

If you plan to come, drop me an email, just so I have a general idea of how many people are coming.

Gabe
 		 	   		  
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From daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 13 07:41:41 2009
From: daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com (Daryl Hobbs)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:41:41 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT volunteer tech training
	workshop:	Monday, November 23
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780911111826k7e075e78r3fb32486d64a8cc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911111826k7e075e78r3fb32486d64a8cc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU121-W11CA7FF070C78F553A640086A80@phx.gbl>


Hi Gabe
I not sure if I replied to this message or not but I am definitley will be attending your workshop. I am also forwarding this message to Jerome Alligood who he has been invaluable with his determination and dedication to learning.
Have a great day,
Daryl

From: gabe at pwd.ca
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:49 -0500
To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT volunteer tech training workshop:	Monday, November 23

It's been a while since I ran a router flashing/configuring/troubleshooting workshop.  So I'm going to do one on Monday the 23rd, at 5:45pm, at 215 Spadina Ave., 4th floor.

The objective of this workshop (for me) is:


To train other folks so that they can help with Wireless Toronto router installations and/or to help fix routers that go down.
The objectives of this workshop (for you) are:
To learn how to do some basic stuff, so that you feel comfortable "adopting" a Wireless Toronto hotspot near you, and/or help installing new Wireless Toronto hotspots.

To learn generally about advanced wifi router configuration.
Here's the tentative plan:

PART 1: Linksys WRT54GL
- Flashing firmware: why and how
- How to set up a router with wifidog for a Wireless Toronto hotspot


- A little bit about the wifidog auth server
- A teensy bit about tweaking settings for better wifi performance
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do

PART 2: Open-mesh
- Mesh networks: what and why


- What I like and don't like about open-mesh
- Compatible hardware
- How to set up a basic open-mesh network
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do


I'm only going to cover concepts and technologies that directly relate to what Wireless Toronto does.  If you're interested in other stuff too, that's totally cool -- I'll do my best to answer questions in the workshop, and we'll have plenty of time to chat about other stuff over drinks afterwards.  It's not imperative that you bring a laptop, but it's a good idea.  





If you're interested, but can't make it on the 23rd, email me off-list -- I'm open to scheduling another similar workshop in December or January.  If people are interested, we can also plan some kind of advanced masterclass or something.



If you plan to come, drop me an email, just so I have a general idea of how many people are coming.

Gabe
 		 	   		  
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Fri Nov 13 11:32:00 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:32:00 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Nov 9 volunteer meeting notes
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911130832h6e50c52bs628798bec62546fe@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Hanna for taking the meeting notes!  I just posted them to the
wiki:
http://wiki.wirelesstoronto.ca/meeting_notes:volunteer_091109

I posted the notes after a list of action items & todos -- I could *easily*
have missed some, so if there's something missing, please fill it in!  (You
may need to create yourself an account on the wiki; let me know if you need
help.)

If you're interested in helping with any of the projects listed, post to
this list or contact whoever's responsible for the project.

Gabe
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From gabe at pwd.ca  Sat Nov 14 16:15:45 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:15:45 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] wifi at LIFT@home
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911141315i292edcebsddc8a40c464fc614@mail.gmail.com>

Wireless Toronto will be the wifi sponsor of LIFT at home, on Tuesday:
http://www.thomaspurves.com/2009/10/27/announcing-lifthome-toronto-and-democamp2019/

Is anyone able to help with the setup?  Hilary, Mo and I are going; we can
bring two more.

Gabe
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From nkovats at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 18:56:03 2009
From: nkovats at gmail.com (Nicholas Kovats)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:56:03 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Gizmodo: "MPAA Shuts Down Entire Town's
	Wi-Fi Over Single Illegal Download."
Message-ID: <7b6a82ad0911141556o496839a4r8782e70541f453f@mail.gmail.com>

Statism runs amok!

http://gizmodo.com/5403584/mpaa-shuts-down-entire-towns-wi+fi-over-single-illegal-download
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From michele.perras at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 11:27:57 2009
From: michele.perras at gmail.com (Michele Perras)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:27:57 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] wifi news you can use :)
Message-ID: <866cd2e90911160827l749f42afy6ab38fbbc683b250@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.fiercebroadbandwireless.com/story/wi-fi-alliance-studying-wifis-role-smart-grids/2009-11-15?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal

The Wi-Fi Alliance has created a new task group to determine which standards
should be modified to best take advantage of the smart grid...


http://www.fiercebroadbandwireless.com/story/california-city-studying-revival-wifi/2009-11-15?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal

Concord, Calif., is considering a plan that involves reviving the WiFi
effort MetroFi abandoned in 2008...


michele perras
416/805/8661
twitter: @michele_perras
skype: michele perras
blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com
links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_

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From jon.alexander at utoronto.ca  Mon Nov 16 11:35:21 2009
From: jon.alexander at utoronto.ca (Jon Alexander)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:35:21 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] wifi at LIFT@home
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780911141315i292edcebsddc8a40c464fc614@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911141315i292edcebsddc8a40c464fc614@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B017F49.30507@utoronto.ca>

Hi Gabe -- I'm free and would be interested in coming, if an extra pair 
of hands is helpful.

Jon

Jon Alexander
w.416.348.9710.x3039
c.416.805.4332



Gabe Sawhney wrote:
> Wireless Toronto will be the wifi sponsor of LIFT at home, on Tuesday:
> http://www.thomaspurves.com/2009/10/27/announcing-lifthome-toronto-and-democamp2019/
>
> Is anyone able to help with the setup?  Hilary, Mo and I are going; we 
> can bring two more.
>
> Gabe
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From michael at monkeycycle.org  Tue Nov 17 09:13:20 2009
From: michael at monkeycycle.org (Michael Pereira)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:13:20 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Public site and Portal pages -- meeting
Message-ID: <FE1E039B-A5EC-414F-944F-BEEE9862913E@monkeycycle.org>

Hi all ~

As mentioned last week, a few of us are gathering to look at, discuss,  
and start re-tooling the Wireless Toronto public site & portal pages.

We're meeting at Wednesday at 6 -- Darkhorse @ 215 Spadina. We'll be  
the 3 or 4 (guys) gathered with laptops.

Please join us if your interested or stay tuned for updates here on  
the list.




all good things,
michael


=============
Michael Pereira
Wireless Toronto
wirelesstoronto.ca


email:	michael at wirelesstoronto.ca
skype: 	monkeycycle
mobile: 	416-821-5081


(((-free community wifi-)))





From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca  Tue Nov 17 10:12:22 2009
From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:12:22 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Public site and Portal pages --
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <FE1E039B-A5EC-414F-944F-BEEE9862913E@monkeycycle.org>
References: <FE1E039B-A5EC-414F-944F-BEEE9862913E@monkeycycle.org>
Message-ID: <ff82f7880911170712t65623368k8f06531b3643547@mail.gmail.com>

I'd love to go but I cannot make it. I remain interested to hear how it goes
or as it may be, read a summary. I think there are so many things that can
be done with the portals now-a-days with the rapid growth of geo tagged
info/content. The news that WifiDog2 will integrate with Wordpress is also
exciting and I suspect with keep things focussed and standardized.

Good luck/.

Jason
-


2009/11/17 Michael Pereira <michael at monkeycycle.org>

> Hi all ~
>
> As mentioned last week, a few of us are gathering to look at, discuss,
> and start re-tooling the Wireless Toronto public site & portal pages.
>
> We're meeting at Wednesday at 6 -- Darkhorse @ 215 Spadina. We'll be
> the 3 or 4 (guys) gathered with laptops.
>
> Please join us if your interested or stay tuned for updates here on
> the list.
>
>
>
>
> all good things,
> michael
>
>
> =============
> Michael Pereira
> Wireless Toronto
> wirelesstoronto.ca
>
>
> email:  michael at wirelesstoronto.ca
> skype:  monkeycycle
> mobile:         416-821-5081
>
>
> (((-free community wifi-)))
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
>
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
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From neil at hushboom.com  Tue Nov 17 11:52:44 2009
From: neil at hushboom.com (Neil Lee)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:52:44 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Public site and Portal pages --
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <FE1E039B-A5EC-414F-944F-BEEE9862913E@monkeycycle.org>
References: <FE1E039B-A5EC-414F-944F-BEEE9862913E@monkeycycle.org>
Message-ID: <FF937EFA-9A12-4159-90F7-8B1785824F00@hushboom.com>

Le 17-11-09 ? 09:13, Michael Pereira a ?crit :
> As mentioned last week, a few of us are gathering to look at, discuss,  
> and start re-tooling the Wireless Toronto public site & portal pages.
> 
> We're meeting at Wednesday at 6 -- Darkhorse @ 215 Spadina. We'll be  
> the 3 or 4 (guys) gathered with laptops.

Hi all - I'm slowly starting to get involved again with Wireless Toronto after a very long absence (yo Gabe!), but I don't think I'll have time to make this get together. I'd like to help out, though - any chance of another meeting on the weekend or during the day?

Neil

From mo at alnuaimy.com  Tue Nov 17 12:07:44 2009
From: mo at alnuaimy.com (M. Al-Nuaimy)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:07:44 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Public site and Portal pages --
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <FF937EFA-9A12-4159-90F7-8B1785824F00@hushboom.com>
References: <FE1E039B-A5EC-414F-944F-BEEE9862913E@monkeycycle.org>
	<FF937EFA-9A12-4159-90F7-8B1785824F00@hushboom.com>
Message-ID: <020601ca67a8$7d0581c0$77108540$@com>

Hi Neil,

Welcome! Glad to hear that you want to pitch in. My days and weekends are
pretty booked up for the next couple of weeks, but I'm sure that tomorrow's
meeting will prompt several more, some of which can be planned for days or
weekends.

I believe tomorrow's meeting is mostly to kick things off. I'd like to talk
up some of the ideas I tossed out at the volunteer meeting, canvass for new
ideas, and hopefully draw up a shortlist of things we can realistically get
done over the next few months. 

What's your specialty, if you don't mind my asking? What aspects of the
portal page project would you be most interested in getting involved with?

Also, what's your availability like? Are you strictly limited to days and
weekends, or are some evenings available?

Cheers,

Mo


-----Original Message-----
From: wirelesstoronto-discuss-bounces at wirelesstoronto.ca
[mailto:wirelesstoronto-discuss-bounces at wirelesstoronto.ca] On Behalf Of
Neil Lee
Sent: November-17-09 11:53 AM
To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
Subject: Re: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Public site and Portal pages --
meeting

Le 17-11-09 ? 09:13, Michael Pereira a ?crit :
> As mentioned last week, a few of us are gathering to look at, discuss,  
> and start re-tooling the Wireless Toronto public site & portal pages.
> 
> We're meeting at Wednesday at 6 -- Darkhorse @ 215 Spadina. We'll be  
> the 3 or 4 (guys) gathered with laptops.

Hi all - I'm slowly starting to get involved again with Wireless Toronto
after a very long absence (yo Gabe!), but I don't think I'll have time to
make this get together. I'd like to help out, though - any chance of another
meeting on the weekend or during the day?

Neil
_______________________________________________
wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-dis
cuss



From michael at monkeycycle.org  Tue Nov 17 12:19:37 2009
From: michael at monkeycycle.org (Michael Pereira)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:19:37 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Public site and Portal pages --
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <020601ca67a8$7d0581c0$77108540$@com>
References: <FE1E039B-A5EC-414F-944F-BEEE9862913E@monkeycycle.org>
	<FF937EFA-9A12-4159-90F7-8B1785824F00@hushboom.com>
	<020601ca67a8$7d0581c0$77108540$@com>
Message-ID: <E4F1477B-4A92-4DC7-B347-B1946C492B7E@monkeycycle.org>

Hi Neil ~


Welcome (back)!. As Mo says, this is a kickoff meeting and the odds of  
a follow-up are very very good. We'll try to ensure a healthy mix of  
day, evening, and occasional weekend gatherings to acoomodate as many  
schedules as possible.



, michael


On 17-Nov-09, at 12:07 PM, M. Al-Nuaimy wrote:

> Hi Neil,
>
> Welcome! Glad to hear that you want to pitch in. My days and  
> weekends are
> pretty booked up for the next couple of weeks, but I'm sure that  
> tomorrow's
> meeting will prompt several more, some of which can be planned for  
> days or
> weekends.
>
> I believe tomorrow's meeting is mostly to kick things off. I'd like  
> to talk
> up some of the ideas I tossed out at the volunteer meeting, canvass  
> for new
> ideas, and hopefully draw up a shortlist of things we can  
> realistically get
> done over the next few months.
>
> What's your specialty, if you don't mind my asking? What aspects of  
> the
> portal page project would you be most interested in getting involved  
> with?
>
> Also, what's your availability like? Are you strictly limited to  
> days and
> weekends, or are some evenings available?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mo
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wirelesstoronto-discuss-bounces at wirelesstoronto.ca
> [mailto:wirelesstoronto-discuss-bounces at wirelesstoronto.ca] On  
> Behalf Of
> Neil Lee
> Sent: November-17-09 11:53 AM
> To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> Subject: Re: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Public site and Portal pages --
> meeting
>
> Le 17-11-09 ? 09:13, Michael Pereira a ?crit :
>> As mentioned last week, a few of us are gathering to look at,  
>> discuss,
>> and start re-tooling the Wireless Toronto public site & portal pages.
>>
>> We're meeting at Wednesday at 6 -- Darkhorse @ 215 Spadina. We'll be
>> the 3 or 4 (guys) gathered with laptops.
>
> Hi all - I'm slowly starting to get involved again with Wireless  
> Toronto
> after a very long absence (yo Gabe!), but I don't think I'll have  
> time to
> make this get together. I'd like to help out, though - any chance of  
> another
> meeting on the weekend or during the day?
>
> Neil
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-dis
> cuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list
> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss
>



From neil at hushboom.com  Tue Nov 17 12:36:39 2009
From: neil at hushboom.com (Neil Lee)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:36:39 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Public site and Portal pages --
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <020601ca67a8$7d0581c0$77108540$@com>
References: <FE1E039B-A5EC-414F-944F-BEEE9862913E@monkeycycle.org>
	<FF937EFA-9A12-4159-90F7-8B1785824F00@hushboom.com>
	<020601ca67a8$7d0581c0$77108540$@com>
Message-ID: <85995A14-AEA5-460E-978C-EF0B351F4C4D@hushboom.com>

Le 17-11-09 ? 12:07, M. Al-Nuaimy a ?crit :

> What's your specialty, if you don't mind my asking? What aspects of the
> portal page project would you be most interested in getting involved with?

So-called "user experience" and content, mostly, though I tend to have opinions about most things, if allowed. :)

Between my family and full-time job (I do web design/user experience for Mozilla), I have limited time these days, but I'd love to help out with design and planning for the user-facing pages, especially the wifi login/registration and main wirelress toronto web site.

I can do the occasional evening (after 7:30) get-together, but the best times for me tend to be during weekdays business hours.

Neil

From subscriptions at designguru.org  Wed Nov 18 13:08:15 2009
From: subscriptions at designguru.org (Design Guru)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:08:15 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WiFi in the air...
Message-ID: <4B04380F.6000209@designguru.org>

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2009/11/no_one_pays_for_inflight_wifi.cfm?Fsrc=glvrnwl

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From gabe at pwd.ca  Mon Nov 23 09:44:33 2009
From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:44:33 -0500
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] REMINDER: WT volunteer tech training
	workshop: TODAY
Message-ID: <95b1c3780911230644y11eea066p18ac1d293c39e771@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>
Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Subject: WT volunteer tech training workshop: Monday, November 23
To: "Discussion list for wirelesstoronto." <
wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>


It's been a while since I ran a router flashing/configuring/troubleshooting
workshop.  So I'm going to do one on Monday the 23rd, at 5:45pm, at 215
Spadina Ave., 4th floor.

The objective of this workshop (for me) is:

   1. To train other folks so that they can help with Wireless Toronto
   router installations and/or to help fix routers that go down.


The objectives of this workshop (for you) are:

   1. To learn how to do some basic stuff, so that you feel comfortable
   "adopting" a Wireless Toronto hotspot near you, and/or help installing new
   Wireless Toronto hotspots.
   2. To learn generally about advanced wifi router configuration.


Here's the tentative plan:

PART 1: Linksys WRT54GL
- Flashing firmware: why and how
- How to set up a router with wifidog for a Wireless Toronto hotspot
- A little bit about the wifidog auth server
- A teensy bit about tweaking settings for better wifi performance
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do

PART 2: Open-mesh
- Mesh networks: what and why
- What I like and don't like about open-mesh
- Compatible hardware
- How to set up a basic open-mesh network
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do

I'm only going to cover concepts and technologies that directly relate to
what Wireless Toronto does.  If you're interested in other stuff too, that's
totally cool -- I'll do my best to answer questions in the workshop, and
we'll have plenty of time to chat about other stuff over drinks afterwards.
It's not imperative that you bring a laptop, but it's a good idea.

If you're interested, but can't make it on the 23rd, email me off-list --
I'm open to scheduling another similar workshop in December or January.  If
people are interested, we can also plan some kind of advanced masterclass or
something.

If you plan to come, drop me an email, just so I have a general idea of how
many people are coming.

Gabe
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From daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 23 10:30:27 2009
From: daryl_hobbs at hotmail.com (Daryl Hobbs)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:30:27 +0000
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] REMINDER: WT volunteer tech
	training	workshop: TODAY
In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780911230644y11eea066p18ac1d293c39e771@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95b1c3780911230644y11eea066p18ac1d293c39e771@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU108-W8A4377B9021A3CCF61344869E0@phx.gbl>


Hi Gabe
I will be there!
Daryl

From: gabe at pwd.ca
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:44:33 -0500
To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca
Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] REMINDER: WT volunteer tech training	workshop: TODAY



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>
Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:26 PM


Subject: WT volunteer tech training workshop: Monday, November 23
To: "Discussion list for wirelesstoronto." <wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca>




It's been a while since I ran a router flashing/configuring/troubleshooting workshop.  So I'm going to do one on Monday the 23rd, at 5:45pm, at 215 Spadina Ave., 4th floor.

The objective of this workshop (for me) is:



To train other folks so that they can help with Wireless Toronto router installations and/or to help fix routers that go down.
The objectives of this workshop (for you) are:
To learn how to do some basic stuff, so that you feel comfortable "adopting" a Wireless Toronto hotspot near you, and/or help installing new Wireless Toronto hotspots.


To learn generally about advanced wifi router configuration.
Here's the tentative plan:

PART 1: Linksys WRT54GL
- Flashing firmware: why and how
- How to set up a router with wifidog for a Wireless Toronto hotspot



- A little bit about the wifidog auth server
- A teensy bit about tweaking settings for better wifi performance
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do

PART 2: Open-mesh
- Mesh networks: what and why



- What I like and don't like about open-mesh
- Compatible hardware
- How to set up a basic open-mesh network
- Things that might go wrong, and what to do if they do


I'm only going to cover concepts and technologies that directly relate to what Wireless Toronto does.  If you're interested in other stuff too, that's totally cool -- I'll do my best to answer questions in the workshop, and we'll have plenty of time to chat about other stuff over drinks afterwards.  It's not imperative that you bring a laptop, but it's a good idea.  






If you're interested, but can't make it on the 23rd, email me off-list -- I'm open to scheduling another similar workshop in December or January.  If people are interested, we can also plan some kind of advanced masterclass or something.




If you plan to come, drop me an email, just so I have a general idea of how many people are coming.

Gabe


 		 	   		  
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