From gabe at pwd.ca Tue Oct 20 11:36:32 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:36:32 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil Message-ID: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group in Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at their last meeting: - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which has around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special equipment for this. - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the map in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be providing additional support to ISF. - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like the "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do with.) They're going to be offering a free and a $2 version. - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that wifidog allows non-case-sensitive usernames. - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting with monthly releases. 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URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091020/4d398e79/attachment.htm From michele.perras at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 11:46:07 2009 From: michele.perras at gmail.com (Michele Perras) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:46:07 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <866cd2e90910200846x7689c2dfrcf4f5f37c02bfec4@mail.gmail.com> there's alot of great stuff here. all in all it sounds like there's alot of good possibility for grwoth/change in the next 6 months or so (or whenver the next version of wifidog comes out). i've put comments near relevant bits.. - what events are coming up that WT could supply wifi for? (i have an MEIC event coming up, also an Ignite -tho the drake is supposed to offer wifi it sometimes doesn't work) - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the map in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be providing additional support to ISF. ** this would be a good way to increase revenues once the portal pages are in place and offer a variety of services for $$$ or $ - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. *** i think (?) we had spoken about this - do we have a bandwidth cap right now? do we need one, esp for high-volume places like YDS or SLM? - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. *** is this something that has a negative effect on our users? do we know? have we ever sent out feedback emails to our users? - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting with monthly releases. The major new features are an API to facilitate Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. ** cool! - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual network membership fees by credit card. *** also cool. we could also setup a paypal acct if we wanted or an email money transfer system if WT has online banking (this works with the payer's bank, costs $1.50 and will make Tom v happy as he worked on the original dev team in 99) michele perras 416/805/8661 twitter: @michele_perras skype: michele perras blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ do or do not, there is no try 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney > I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group in > Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at their > last meeting: > > - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. > - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which has > around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special equipment for this. > - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for venues; > it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the map in a > different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at the > time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the portal > page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be providing > additional support to ISF. > - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. > - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like the > "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do with.) They're going > to be offering a free and a $2 version. > - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that wifidog > allows non-case-sensitive usernames. > - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account > creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options > they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better > instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their > email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible > to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. > - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting > with monthly releases. 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URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091020/5d3e207a/attachment.htm From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca Tue Oct 20 13:50:28 2009 From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:50:28 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I like the idea of a premium service for venues to cover costs for those who want to take advantage of the portal pages. I am not suggesting any pricing scheme but I think the idea has merit to help stimulate portal development. also for us, just catching up on past venue billing would be a good first step =) Is there any discussion about auto login? maybe the iphone app can offer that? It would be good to piggy back on their iphone development. Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to keep a closer eye on how they operate because they have had much more success that we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free wifi is very different here -- it is expected here as it is in Vancity. Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi compared to other cities in Canada and the world. I am sure WT can continue to change that. I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking forward to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and will do about all this. Jason - 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney > I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group in > Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at their > last meeting: > > - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. > - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which has > around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special equipment for this. > - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for venues; > it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the map in a > different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at the > time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the portal > page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be providing > additional support to ISF. > - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. > - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like the > "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do with.) They're going > to be offering a free and a $2 version. > - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that wifidog > allows non-case-sensitive usernames. > - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account > creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. 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URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091020/64289dd0/attachment.htm From michele.perras at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 19:57:51 2009 From: michele.perras at gmail.com (Michele Perras) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:57:51 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil In-Reply-To: References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com> Inspired by Chris Messina's talk this evening- how difficult or relevant would it be to integrate OpenID as the WT auth? On 2009-10-20, at 1:50 PM, jason roks wrote: > I like the idea of a premium service for venues to cover costs for > those who want to take advantage of the portal pages. I am not > suggesting any pricing scheme but I think the idea has merit to help > stimulate portal development. > > also for us, just catching up on past venue billing would be a good > first step =) > > Is there any discussion about auto login? maybe the iphone app can > offer that? > > It would be good to piggy back on their iphone development. > > Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to > keep a closer eye on how they operate because they have had much > more success that we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free > wifi is very different here -- it is expected here as it is in > Vancity. > Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi > compared to other cities in Canada and the world. I am sure WT can > continue to change that. > > I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking > forward to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and > will do about all this. > > Jason > - > > > 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney > I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister > group in Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they > discussed at their last meeting: > > - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. > - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, > which has around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special > equipment for this. > - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for > venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on > the map in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of > personal service at the time of installation, would allow them to > edit some content on the portal page, and would offer bandwidth > limiting. Plus they'd be providing additional support to ISF. > - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. > - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit > like the "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do > with.) They're going to be offering a free and a $2 version. > - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that > wifidog allows non-case-sensitive usernames. > - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon > account creation, recognizing that many accounts are never > validated. Options they're considering are: offering a 24-hour > grace period, better instructions/interface, redirecting new users > to the webmail login of their email service provider (when > possible), and taking whatever steps possible to ensure that > validation emails don't end up in spam folders. > - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're > sprinting with monthly releases. 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URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091020/5ef5dcb2/attachment.htm From walkah at walkah.net Tue Oct 20 20:12:25 2009 From: walkah at walkah.net (James Walker) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:12:25 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil In-Reply-To: <19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> <19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com> OK, I now feel sufficiently goaded into un-lurking on this list ;-) openid support? transparent login? revamp'ing portal pages? I'm in! I have no idea what the internals of WT auth looks like right now - gabe? maybe we should grab a coffee? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Michele Perras wrote: > Inspired by Chris Messina's talk this evening- how difficult or relevant > would it be to integrate OpenID as the WT auth? > > On 2009-10-20, at 1:50 PM, jason roks wrote: > > I like the idea of a premium service for venues to cover costs for those who > want to take advantage of the portal pages. I am not suggesting > any?pricing?scheme but I think the idea has merit to help stimulate portal > development. > also for us, just catching up on past venue billing would be a good first > step =) > Is there any discussion about auto login? maybe the iphone app can offer > that? > It would be good to piggy back on their iphone development. > Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to keep a > closer eye on how they operate because they have had much more success that > we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free wifi is very different > here -- it is expected here as it is in Vancity. > Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi compared > to other cities in Canada and the world. ?I am sure WT can continue to > change that. > I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking forward > to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and will do about all > this. > Jason > - > > 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney >> >> I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group in >> Montreal).? Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at their >> last meeting: >> >> - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. >> - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which has >> around 2000 attendees.? They're working on some special equipment for this. >> - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for >> venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year.? The venue would be identified on the map >> in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at >> the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the >> portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting.? Plus they'd be providing >> additional support to ISF. >> - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. >> - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like >> the "Wireless Toronto" app.? (Which we have nothing to do with.)? They're >> going to be offering a free and a $2 version. >> - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that wifidog >> allows non-case-sensitive usernames. >> - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account >> creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated.? Options >> they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better >> instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their >> email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible >> to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. >> - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting >> with monthly releases.? The major new features are an API to facilitate >> Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. >> - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual >> network membership fees by credit card. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -- James Walker :: http://walkah.net/ :: xmpp:walkah at walkah.net From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca Thu Oct 22 11:59:29 2009 From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:59:29 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT: Potential funding opportunity? Message-ID: http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/homeFederal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario (FedDev Ontario) In response to Ontario's economic challenges, Budget 2009 provided more than $1 billion over five years for a new Southern Ontario development agency. The agency's programs will support economic and community development, innovation, and economic diversification, with contributions to communities, businesses and non-profit organizations. It will help workers, communities and businesses in Southern Ontario position themselves to take advantage of opportunities, as economic growth recovers in Canada and around the world. What's New FedDev Ontario is now accepting applicationsunder the Southern Ontario Development Program ( SODP) for projects that will stimulate local economies and enhance the growth and competitiveness of Southern Ontario businesses and communities. 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[ http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/00127.html] - When you cross-reference that with the big story in today's Globe and Star, it makes it seem like a bit of a long-shot: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/stimulus-program-favours-tory-ridings/article1333239/ http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/stimulus/article/714054--tories-starve-toronto-s-red-ridings-mp-charges Still, there's something to work with here. If someone's interested in leading the charge, I'll help however I can. Gabe On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, jason roks wrote: > http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/home Federal Economic > Development Agency for Southern Ontario (FedDev Ontario) > > In response to Ontario's economic challenges, Budget 2009 provided more > than $1 billion over five years for a new Southern Ontario development > agency. The agency's programs will support economic and community > development, innovation, and economic diversification, with contributions to > communities, businesses and non-profit organizations. It will help workers, > communities and businesses in Southern Ontario position themselves to take > advantage of opportunities, as economic growth recovers in Canada and around > the world. > What's New > > FedDev Ontario is now accepting applicationsunder the Southern Ontario Development Program ( > SODP) for projects that will stimulate local economies and enhance the > growth and competitiveness of Southern Ontario businesses and communities. > For more information, click here. > > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-board mailing list > wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091022/8f9d6a60/attachment.htm From michele.perras at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 13:00:40 2009 From: michele.perras at gmail.com (Michele Perras) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:00:40 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] [wirelesstoronto-board] WT: Potential funding opportunity? In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910220952pbd1a094qe5ffaa3f9bc6072f@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910220952pbd1a094qe5ffaa3f9bc6072f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <866cd2e90910221000q114b33ebu4d68e619801a851f@mail.gmail.com> i would be all over it except we're putting one together for meic... i can offer any tips to ppl who want to lead on it as we've already spoken to the gov reps. michele perras 416/805/8661 twitter: @michele_perras skype: michele perras blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ do or do not, there is no try 2009/10/22 Gabe Sawhney > This looks like a good program! Wireless Toronto could benefit from it, > but the application would be a lot of work. > > Because I look for the negative things first: > - "Priority will be given to organizations or enterprises located in > communities in Southern Ontario with populations of 500,000 or less, as well > as to communities whose economies are less diversified and/or are reliant on > a limited number of employers." [ > http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/00127.html] > - When you cross-reference that with the big story in today's Globe and > Star, it makes it seem like a bit of a long-shot: > > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/stimulus-program-favours-tory-ridings/article1333239/ > > http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/stimulus/article/714054--tories-starve-toronto-s-red-ridings-mp-charges > > Still, there's something to work with here. If someone's interested in > leading the charge, I'll help however I can. > > Gabe > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, jason roks wrote: > >> http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/home Federal Economic >> Development Agency for Southern Ontario (FedDev Ontario) >> >> In response to Ontario's economic challenges, Budget 2009 provided more >> than $1 billion over five years for a new Southern Ontario development >> agency. The agency's programs will support economic and community >> development, innovation, and economic diversification, with contributions to >> communities, businesses and non-profit organizations. It will help workers, >> communities and businesses in Southern Ontario position themselves to take >> advantage of opportunities, as economic growth recovers in Canada and around >> the world. >> What's New >> >> FedDev Ontario is now accepting applicationsunder the Southern Ontario Development Program ( >> SODP) for projects that will stimulate local economies and enhance the >> growth and competitiveness of Southern Ontario businesses and communities. >> For more information, click here. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-board mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Michele Perras wrote: > i would be all over it except we're putting one together for meic...i can > offer any tips to ppl who want to lead on it as we've already spoken to the > gov reps. > > > michele perras > 416/805/8661 > twitter: @michele_perras > skype: michele perras > blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com > links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ > > do or do not, there is no try > > > 2009/10/22 Gabe Sawhney > >> This looks like a good program! Wireless Toronto could benefit from it, >> but the application would be a lot of work. >> >> Because I look for the negative things first: >> - "Priority will be given to organizations or enterprises located in >> communities in Southern Ontario with populations of 500,000 or less, as well >> as to communities whose economies are less diversified and/or are reliant on >> a limited number of employers." [ >> http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/00127.html] >> - When you cross-reference that with the big story in today's Globe and >> Star, it makes it seem like a bit of a long-shot: >> >> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/stimulus-program-favours-tory-ridings/article1333239/ >> >> http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/stimulus/article/714054--tories-starve-toronto-s-red-ridings-mp-charges >> >> Still, there's something to work with here. If someone's interested in >> leading the charge, I'll help however I can. >> >> Gabe >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, jason roks wrote: >> >>> http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/home Federal Economic >>> Development Agency for Southern Ontario (FedDev Ontario) >>> >>> In response to Ontario's economic challenges, Budget 2009 provided more >>> than $1 billion over five years for a new Southern Ontario development >>> agency. The agency's programs will support economic and community >>> development, innovation, and economic diversification, with contributions to >>> communities, businesses and non-profit organizations. It will help workers, >>> communities and businesses in Southern Ontario position themselves to take >>> advantage of opportunities, as economic growth recovers in Canada and around >>> the world. >>> What's New >>> >>> FedDev Ontario is now accepting applicationsunder the Southern Ontario Development Program ( >>> SODP) for projects that will stimulate local economies and enhance the >>> growth and competitiveness of Southern Ontario businesses and communities. >>> For more information, click here. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> wirelesstoronto-board mailing list >>> wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca >>> >>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4f4e689f0910221009g26a7fe6dp63bbdc03cb87d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910220952pbd1a094qe5ffaa3f9bc6072f@mail.gmail.com> <866cd2e90910221000q114b33ebu4d68e619801a851f@mail.gmail.com> <4f4e689f0910221009g26a7fe6dp63bbdc03cb87d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <866cd2e90910221011r376b8ca9k20558ab12f6fce62@mail.gmail.com> yep, np. one other eligibility requirement is that the applicant must be formalized, ie - an institution, non-profit, association, etc. thoughts? michele perras 416/805/8661 twitter: @michele_perras skype: michele perras blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ do or do not, there is no try 2009/10/22 hilary krupa > I'd be happy to lead this - Michele, let's parler! > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Michele Perras wrote: > >> i would be all over it except we're putting one together for meic... >> i can offer any tips to ppl who want to lead on it as we've already spoken >> to the gov reps. >> >> >> michele perras >> 416/805/8661 >> twitter: @michele_perras >> skype: michele perras >> blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com >> links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ >> >> do or do not, there is no try >> >> >> 2009/10/22 Gabe Sawhney >> >>> This looks like a good program! Wireless Toronto could benefit from it, >>> but the application would be a lot of work. >>> >>> Because I look for the negative things first: >>> - "Priority will be given to organizations or enterprises located in >>> communities in Southern Ontario with populations of 500,000 or less, as well >>> as to communities whose economies are less diversified and/or are reliant on >>> a limited number of employers." [ >>> http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/00127.html] >>> - When you cross-reference that with the big story in today's Globe and >>> Star, it makes it seem like a bit of a long-shot: >>> >>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/stimulus-program-favours-tory-ridings/article1333239/ >>> >>> http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/stimulus/article/714054--tories-starve-toronto-s-red-ridings-mp-charges >>> >>> Still, there's something to work with here. If someone's interested in >>> leading the charge, I'll help however I can. >>> >>> Gabe >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, jason roks wrote: >>> >>>> http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/home Federal Economic >>>> Development Agency for Southern Ontario (FedDev Ontario) >>>> >>>> In response to Ontario's economic challenges, Budget 2009 provided more >>>> than $1 billion over five years for a new Southern Ontario development >>>> agency. The agency's programs will support economic and community >>>> development, innovation, and economic diversification, with contributions to >>>> communities, businesses and non-profit organizations. It will help workers, >>>> communities and businesses in Southern Ontario position themselves to take >>>> advantage of opportunities, as economic growth recovers in Canada and around >>>> the world. >>>> What's New >>>> >>>> FedDev Ontario is now accepting applicationsunder the Southern Ontario Development Program ( >>>> SODP) for projects that will stimulate local economies and enhance the >>>> growth and competitiveness of Southern Ontario businesses and communities. >>>> For more information, click here. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> wirelesstoronto-board mailing list >>>> wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca >>>> >>>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >>> >>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091022/707696af/attachment.htm From gabe at pwd.ca Thu Oct 22 13:33:33 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:33:33 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil In-Reply-To: <1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> <19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com> <1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95b1c3780910221033k16f4be54gaa62de02669d7356@mail.gmail.com> Short answer: Sure, I'm up for a coffee. Long answer: There's no clear answer to question about if or how we could start using OpenID: - Right how we're managing most of our hotspots using wifidog, which doesn't support OpenID. - A new version of wifidog is in development. It also won't have built-in support for OpenID, but it'll feature an API which will allow us to use WordPress (or, um, other CMSes) for our portal pages. - So, our portal page CMS could use OpenID. - At the same time, we're experimenting with mesh networks, using the open-mesh platform. - Wifidog has no clear roadmap with respect to mesh networks. - I have a vision for a multi-layered authentication/bandwidth-accounting/abuse-prevention system for our network which no open-source platform I've found can currently support. - We've gotta figure out what direction we want to go as a group and as a network, and keep an eye out in the next few months to see which platforms evolve in which ways. It's a complex landscape of options. Wireless Toronto's new board structure features a position responsible for "R&D", which is presently not filled. Interested? Gabe On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, James Walker wrote: > OK, I now feel sufficiently goaded into un-lurking on this list ;-) > > openid support? transparent login? revamp'ing portal pages? > > I'm in! > > I have no idea what the internals of WT auth looks like right now - > gabe? maybe we should grab a coffee? > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Michele Perras > wrote: > > Inspired by Chris Messina's talk this evening- how difficult or relevant > > would it be to integrate OpenID as the WT auth? > > > > On 2009-10-20, at 1:50 PM, jason roks wrote: > > > > I like the idea of a premium service for venues to cover costs for those > who > > want to take advantage of the portal pages. I am not suggesting > > any pricing scheme but I think the idea has merit to help stimulate > portal > > development. > > also for us, just catching up on past venue billing would be a good first > > step =) > > Is there any discussion about auto login? maybe the iphone app can offer > > that? > > It would be good to piggy back on their iphone development. > > Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to keep a > > closer eye on how they operate because they have had much more success > that > > we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free wifi is very different > > here -- it is expected here as it is in Vancity. > > Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi > compared > > to other cities in Canada and the world. I am sure WT can continue to > > change that. > > I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking > forward > > to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and will do about > all > > this. > > Jason > > - > > > > 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney > >> > >> I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group > in > >> Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at > their > >> last meeting: > >> > >> - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. > >> - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which > has > >> around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special equipment for > this. > >> - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for > >> venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the > map > >> in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service > at > >> the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the > >> portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be > providing > >> additional support to ISF. > >> - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. > >> - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like > >> the "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do with.) > They're > >> going to be offering a free and a $2 version. > >> - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that > wifidog > >> allows non-case-sensitive usernames. > >> - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account > >> creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options > >> they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better > >> instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of > their > >> email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps > possible > >> to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. > >> - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting > >> with monthly releases. The major new features are an API to facilitate > >> Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. > >> - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual > >> network membership fees by credit card. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > >> > >> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > James Walker :: http://walkah.net/ :: xmpp:walkah at walkah.net > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091022/63e8bf46/attachment.htm From mo at alnuaimy.com Thu Oct 22 13:58:15 2009 From: mo at alnuaimy.com (M. Al-Nuaimy) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:58:15 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] App idea In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910221033k16f4be54gaa62de02669d7356@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> <19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com> <1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910221033k16f4be54gaa62de02669d7356@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003c01ca5341$3c837bf0$b58a73d0$@com> I've been tinkering with some Jailbreak-friendly apps recently, and wondering if there's an opportunity in that space for us. Specifically, there are a number of applications that will turn an iphone into an ad-hoc wifi router, using 3g as the backhaul. This got me wondering if there as any utility in creating a similar app that could be configured to use either 3g/edge or a neighbouring closed wifi hotspot (such as second cup or starbucks) and repeat a wireless Toronto open hotspot. Is this the sort of thing that could be cobbled together from existing open source technology, or would it be a major programming challenge? If it's the former, iot might be worth creating versions for WinMo and Android, and unleash a legion of ad-hoc hotspots. Also, are there legal implications we should be worried about? Mo From: wirelesstoronto-discuss-bounces at wirelesstoronto.ca [mailto:wirelesstoronto-discuss-bounces at wirelesstoronto.ca] On Behalf Of Gabe Sawhney Sent: October-22-09 1:34 PM To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca Subject: Re: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil Short answer: Sure, I'm up for a coffee. Long answer: There's no clear answer to question about if or how we could start using OpenID: - Right how we're managing most of our hotspots using wifidog, which doesn't support OpenID. - A new version of wifidog is in development. It also won't have built-in support for OpenID, but it'll feature an API which will allow us to use WordPress (or, um, other CMSes) for our portal pages. - So, our portal page CMS could use OpenID. - At the same time, we're experimenting with mesh networks, using the open-mesh platform. - Wifidog has no clear roadmap with respect to mesh networks. - I have a vision for a multi-layered authentication/bandwidth-accounting/abuse-prevention system for our network which no open-source platform I've found can currently support. - We've gotta figure out what direction we want to go as a group and as a network, and keep an eye out in the next few months to see which platforms evolve in which ways. It's a complex landscape of options. Wireless Toronto's new board structure features a position responsible for "R&D", which is presently not filled. Interested? Gabe On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, James Walker wrote: OK, I now feel sufficiently goaded into un-lurking on this list ;-) openid support? transparent login? revamp'ing portal pages? I'm in! I have no idea what the internals of WT auth looks like right now - gabe? maybe we should grab a coffee? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Michele Perras wrote: > Inspired by Chris Messina's talk this evening- how difficult or relevant > would it be to integrate OpenID as the WT auth? > > On 2009-10-20, at 1:50 PM, jason roks wrote: > > I like the idea of a premium service for venues to cover costs for those who > want to take advantage of the portal pages. I am not suggesting > any pricing scheme but I think the idea has merit to help stimulate portal > development. > also for us, just catching up on past venue billing would be a good first > step =) > Is there any discussion about auto login? maybe the iphone app can offer > that? > It would be good to piggy back on their iphone development. > Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to keep a > closer eye on how they operate because they have had much more success that > we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free wifi is very different > here -- it is expected here as it is in Vancity. > Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi compared > to other cities in Canada and the world. I am sure WT can continue to > change that. > I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking forward > to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and will do about all > this. > Jason > - > > 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney >> >> I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group in >> Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at their >> last meeting: >> >> - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. >> - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which has >> around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special equipment for this. >> - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for >> venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the map >> in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at >> the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the >> portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be providing >> additional support to ISF. >> - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. >> - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like >> the "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do with.) They're >> going to be offering a free and a $2 version. >> - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that wifidog >> allows non-case-sensitive usernames. >> - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account >> creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options >> they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better >> instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their >> email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible >> to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. >> - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting >> with monthly releases. The major new features are an API to facilitate >> Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. >> - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual >> network membership fees by credit card. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-dis cuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-dis cuss > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-dis cuss > > -- James Walker :: http://walkah.net/ :: xmpp:walkah at walkah.net _______________________________________________ wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-dis cuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091022/33f96753/attachment.htm From jon.alexander at utoronto.ca Thu Oct 22 14:59:10 2009 From: jon.alexander at utoronto.ca (Jon Alexander) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:59:10 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT: Potential funding opportunity? In-Reply-To: <866cd2e90910221011r376b8ca9k20558ab12f6fce62@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910220952pbd1a094qe5ffaa3f9bc6072f@mail.gmail.com> <866cd2e90910221000q114b33ebu4d68e619801a851f@mail.gmail.com> <4f4e689f0910221009g26a7fe6dp63bbdc03cb87d58@mail.gmail.com> <866cd2e90910221011r376b8ca9k20558ab12f6fce62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE0AB7E.5090609@utoronto.ca> One possible option (there may be others in the pipe) -- something I've had in the back of my mind, that might be worth considering. I could introduce Gabe or the appropriate /responsable/, to Desi Benet, the ED at Phoenix Community Works Foundation (pcwf.ca). It might be possible for W'lessTO to become a partner-project with PCWF, which is a registered non-profit, and happens to also have just recently moved into the CSI. This is something they've done quite a bit of. I just called Desi (416 964-3380) and she's apparently gone home feeling unwell, but I would think we might be able to make a connection sometime in the near term, if desired. Jon Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 Michele Perras wrote: > yep, np. > one other eligibility requirement is that the applicant must be > formalized, ie - an institution, non-profit, association, etc. > thoughts? > > michele perras > 416/805/8661 > twitter: @michele_perras > skype: michele perras > blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com > links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & > del.icio.us/_catalan_ > > do or do not, there is no try > > > 2009/10/22 hilary krupa > > > I'd be happy to lead this - Michele, let's parler! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This got me wondering if there as any utility in creating a similar app that could be configured to use either 3g/edge or a neighbouring closed wifi hotspot (such as second cup or starbucks) and repeat a wireless Toronto open hotspot. Brilliant, I love it! Can you write it? Also, how does one release an app on the App Store, so people needn't (necessarily) jailbreak? Is this the sort of thing that could be cobbled together from existing open source technology, or would it be a major programming challenge? If it's the former, iot might be worth creating versions for WinMo and Android, and unleash a legion of ad-hoc hotspots. I like the sound of that. I can't use real VoIP on the iPhone? Fine. I'll use the iPhone's 3G as a backhaul for a mobile hotspot, and use the real VoIP on the netbook in my backpack instead. Eat it, Rogers. Also, are there legal implications we should be worried about? Probably not. But once people realize the implications of someone giving away an app like this, expect the fearmongering to start. I think this is when we may find out that the capped data plans, even the big ones, are the real problem after all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091025/297090cb/attachment.htm From michele.perras at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 14:14:55 2009 From: michele.perras at gmail.com (Michele Perras) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:14:55 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting! Message-ID: <866cd2e90910261114p31b7787bh2d4dadc602d84208@mail.gmail.com> Hey everyone! The next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting will be on Monday November 9th, from 5:45-8pm at the Centre for Social Innovation (Ste 120). We haven't met in a while, so it's a great time to come out if you've never been to one of our meetings. We'll catch everyone up on what we've been up to, and talk about some opportunities this spring and summer. Lots of ways to get involved, for designers, techies, writers, community folks, etc. Generally speaking, we'll be talking about the following: Intros Overview of Wireless Toronto and Goals Updates from WT Board members New business and ideas Hope to see you there! Cheers, Michele michele perras 416/805/8661 twitter: @michele_perras skype: michele perras blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ do or do not, there is no try -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We'll catch everyone up on > what we've been up to, and talk about some opportunities this spring > and summer. Lots of ways to get involved, for designers, > techies, writers, community folks, etc. > > Generally speaking, we'll be talking about the following: > > Intros > Overview of Wireless Toronto and Goals > Updates from WT Board members > New business and ideas > > > Hope to see you there! > Cheers, > Michele > > > > > > michele perras > 416/805/8661 > twitter: @michele_perras > skype: michele perras > blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com > links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & > del.icio.us/_catalan_ > > do or do not, there is no try > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091026/de91b0c2/attachment.htm From mo at alnuaimy.com Mon Oct 26 16:08:09 2009 From: mo at alnuaimy.com (M. Al-Nuaimy) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:08:09 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] App idea In-Reply-To: <1B7D40B21CF64C48A65F6181E64BCD4B@scaffold> References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com><19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com><1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com><95b1c3780910221033k16f4be54gaa62de02669d7356@mail.gmail.com> <003c01ca5341$3c837bf0$b58a73d0$@com> <1B7D40B21CF64C48A65F6181E64BCD4B@scaffold> Message-ID: <001201ca5678$0ba557d0$22f00770$@com> Specifically, there are a number of applications that will turn an iphone into an ad-hoc wifi router, using 3g as the backhaul. This got me wondering if there as any utility in creating a similar app that could be configured to use either 3g/edge or a neighbouring closed wifi hotspot (such as second cup or starbucks) and repeat a wireless Toronto open hotspot. Brilliant, I love it! Can you write it? [Mo:] Sadly, no. I'm not really a programmer (I just play one on small underfunded projects). The coding element of something like this would definitely be above my skill level. [Mo:] On the other hand, I'm reasonably handy at project design, proposal writing, project management and usability design, so if there was a source of funding I'd be happy to chase after it. Michele, is this something MIEC could help us find? Also, how does one release an app on the App Store, so people needn't (necessarily) jailbreak? [Mo:] This sounds like a question for Gabe. How was working with the App Store people when you released the current Wireless Toronto app? Is this the sort of thing that could be cobbled together from existing open source technology, or would it be a major programming challenge? If it's the former, iot might be worth creating versions for WinMo and Android, and unleash a legion of ad-hoc hotspots. I like the sound of that. I can't use real VoIP on the iPhone? Fine. I'll use the iPhone's 3G as a backhaul for a mobile hotspot, and use the real VoIP on the netbook in my backpack instead. Eat it, Rogers. [Mo:] Actually, if you have a jailbroken phone there's a handy app called iPhone Unrestricor that tricks apps into thinking they're still on Wifi. It works with skype. Also, are there legal implications we should be worried about? Probably not. But once people realize the implications of someone giving away an app like this, expect the fearmongering to start. 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My hunch is that you'd need to use some code that Apple considers verboten, so you'd be limited to the market of jailbroken phones. (Apple must approve any app that you want to distribute through the App Store, and will reject an app that does stuff that apps aren't supposed to be able to do, like what you're suggesting.) Sorry I can't help more than that. You might be able to build it as an official Android or Nokia or Blackberry or WinMo app. I've mentioned this before, but it's worth repeating: Wireless Toronto has * nothing* to do with the iPhone app called "Wireless Toronto". (It was written by someone else; the app simply lists our hotspots by proximity, and can open a map and directions by kicking out to Google Maps. It grabs the xml hotspot listing off our website.) It's *very* important that we all be clear about this, because that app was launched and marketed in a truly painful way. It could be a case study in what not to do. Gabe On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, M. Al-Nuaimy wrote: > > > Specifically, there are a number of applications that will turn an iphone > into an ad-hoc wifi router, using 3g as the backhaul. This got me wondering > if there as any utility in creating a similar app that could be configured > to use either 3g/edge or a neighbouring closed wifi hotspot (such as second > cup or starbucks) and repeat a wireless Toronto open hotspot. > > Brilliant, I love it! Can you write it? > > > > *[Mo:] Sadly, no. I?m not really a programmer (I just play one on small > underfunded projects). The coding element of something like this would > definitely be above my skill level.* > > * * > > *[Mo:] On the other hand, I?m reasonably handy at project design, proposal > writing, project management and usability design, so if there was a source > of funding I?d be happy to chase after it. Michele, is this something MIEC > could help us find?* > > > > Also, how does one release an app on the App Store, so people needn't > (necessarily) jailbreak? > > * * > > *[Mo:] This sounds like a question for Gabe. How was working with the App > Store people when you released the current Wireless Toronto app?* > > > > Is this the sort of thing that could be cobbled together from existing open > source technology, or would it be a major programming challenge? If it?s the > former, iot might be worth creating versions for WinMo and Android, and > unleash a legion of ad-hoc hotspots. > > I like the sound of that. I can't use real VoIP on the iPhone? Fine. I'll > use the iPhone's 3G as a backhaul for a mobile hotspot, and use the real > VoIP on the netbook in my backpack instead. Eat it, Rogers. > > * * > > *[Mo:] Actually, if you have a jailbroken phone there?s a handy app called > iPhone Unrestricor that tricks apps into thinking they?re still on Wifi. It > works with skype.* > > * * > > Also, are there legal implications we should be worried about? > > Probably not. But once people realize the implications of someone giving > away an app like this, expect the fearmongering to start. > > > > I think this is when we may find out that the capped data plans, even the > big ones, are the real problem after all. > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091026/d5e1f209/attachment.htm From gabe at pwd.ca Tue Oct 27 12:07:25 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:07:25 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bisf-vol=5D_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ress_Release=3A_Ile_Sans_Fil=92s_Platform_Works_I?= =?windows-1252?q?ts_Way_into_Montreal_Municipal_Election?= In-Reply-To: <9463D8D6-C941-4F28-91A3-316C1A19C258@zelaurent.com> References: <9463D8D6-C941-4F28-91A3-316C1A19C258@zelaurent.com> Message-ID: <95b1c3780910270907j7524fcb6g2d49ccbacd12a3f8@mail.gmail.com> This is a totally awesome press release from our sister group in Montreal. Montreal's municipal election is November 1st. Wireless Toronto doesn't have any resources/responsibility directed at "advocacy", and I think we have some important internal work to do before we embark on any significant advocacy work, but I hope we'll be ready to well in advance of Toronto's municipal election next year... Gabe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurent Maisonnave Date: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:18 AM Subject: [isf-vol] Press Release: Ile Sans Fil?s Platform Works Its Way into Montreal Municipal Election To: Volontaires Ile sans Fil Ile Sans Fil?s Platform Works Its Way into Montreal Municipal Election All three candidates have highlighted importance of free wireless Internet access in Montreal Read More... http://bit.ly/1dKYqZ Laurent _______________________________________________ Volontaires mailing list Volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org http://listes.ilesansfil.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volontaires -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091027/6facfc0f/attachment.htm From jon.alexander at utoronto.ca Tue Oct 27 16:10:25 2009 From: jon.alexander at utoronto.ca (Jon Alexander) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:10:25 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Seeking advice - hotspot in a public park Message-ID: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> Hi folks -- I'm thinking about starting a little initiative to see if it's feasible to put up a hotspot in Bellevue Square Park in Kensington Market. I haven't previously installed a wireless hotspot in a park, but some of you probably have, perhaps in Dufferin Grove or elsewhere. I don't want to impose on your time, but if those of you who know, would kindly shoot me back one or two pieces of advice on how to get started, I'd be grateful. Thanks! Jon -- Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 From gabe at pwd.ca Thu Oct 29 12:27:58 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:27:58 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto Message-ID: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> [Of course, we don't yet know the details. But does this not remind us of the classic tragedy of privatization? The city just sold this fiber network -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now they're going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million dollar agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to City agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public Library, Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and Toronto proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for security, performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco Data Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a solution that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our network." Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see Cogeco Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto area. The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City of Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving an outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow the City to proceed with their unified communications plans without worries of throughput delays. The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period with the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of construction completed by 2011. About Cogeco Data Services With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet MetroLAN, Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and Business Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the fast, reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large amounts of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that scale to meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing and Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091029/e4fe47a9/attachment.htm From netspec at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:09:21 2009 From: netspec at gmail.com (A C) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:09:21 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the potential to stop this sale. 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses and enterprises only. And this is purposely omitting the onezone network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please remember it is the opinion of one person only. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > [Of course, we don't yet know the details.? But does this not remind us of > the classic tragedy of privatization?? The city just sold this fiber network > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now they're > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] > > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html > > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto > > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million dollar > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. > > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to City > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public Library, > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and Toronto > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. > > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for security, > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco Data > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a solution > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our network." > > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see Cogeco > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto area. > > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City of > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving an > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow the > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without worries of > throughput delays. > > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period with > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of construction > completed by 2011. > > About Cogeco Data Services > > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet MetroLAN, > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and Business > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the fast, > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large amounts > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that scale to > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, a > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. > > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing and > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -- /////////////////////////////////////////////// www.netspec.ca msn: netspec at gmail.com Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec /////////////////////////////////////////////// From jon.alexander at utoronto.ca Thu Oct 29 16:35:12 2009 From: jon.alexander at utoronto.ca (Jon Alexander) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:35:12 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?TDSB_director=27s_=91t?= =?windows-1252?q?ransformative=27_vision_-_includes_WiFi_in_all_schools_b?= =?windows-1252?q?y_2015?= Message-ID: <4AE9FC80.3090908@utoronto.ca> TDSB gives cautious approval to director's ?transformative' vision Anna Mehler Paperny From Thursday's Globe and Mail Published on Wednesday, Oct. 28, 2009 11:58PM EDT Last updated on Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009 3:04AM EDT The Toronto District School Board gave director Chris Spence a mandate to pursue his ambitious, sweeping ?vision? for the board's future at a meeting last night ? but not without strings attached. The board voted to receive Dr. Spence's report, which includes such bold propositions as opening an all-boys school to tackle underachievement among male students; *a promise to have all schools WiFi-equipped* and all students learning online *by 2015*; and a vow to dramatically improve school performance ... -- Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091029/e7a78d0d/attachment.htm From gabe at pwd.ca Thu Oct 29 16:48:44 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:48:44 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, A C. This is disappointing but not surprising. The press release didn't include a quote from anyone at the City -- presumably they'd prefer to keep a lid on this deal. I wonder if some shit-disturber will bring it up at next week's Toronto Innovation Showcase: http://www.toronto.ca/toshowcase/ I've been infected with the vision of a convergence of the open web, open data, open spectrum and net neutrality movements. They're all different sides of the same coin (in my opinion), and if that had been more clear to everyone before the sale went through, it may have been easier to build support to stop it. Gabe On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, A C wrote: > wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having > worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, > everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. > There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold > by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the > potential to stop this sale. > > 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a > hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses > and enterprises only. And this is purposely omitting the onezone > network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to > market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. > > 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale > > The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the > amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. > > this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please > remember it is the opinion of one person only. > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > > [Of course, we don't yet know the details. But does this not remind us > of > > the classic tragedy of privatization? The city just sold this fiber > network > > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now they're > > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] > > > > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html > > > > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto > > > > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data > > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million dollar > > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area > > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically > > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. > > > > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to City > > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public Library, > > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and > Toronto > > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. > > > > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for > security, > > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco Data > > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a > solution > > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our > network." > > > > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic > > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see > Cogeco > > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto area. > > > > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City of > > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving an > > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow the > > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without worries > of > > throughput delays. > > > > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period with > > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of > construction > > completed by 2011. > > > > About Cogeco Data Services > > > > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet MetroLAN, > > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and > Business > > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the fast, > > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large > amounts > > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is > > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that scale > to > > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public > > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, a > > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. > > > > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing and > > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, > > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > www.netspec.ca > msn: netspec at gmail.com > Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091029/4d458f0f/attachment.htm From netspec at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:56:12 2009 From: netspec at gmail.com (A C) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:56:12 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> the problem is that toronto hydro telecom catered to businesses and enterprise markets. there were a few case studies done on why the sale would not be beneficial to the city, but of course these case studies are always paid for. The sale has been brushed under a rug and most of the inside sources who had a direct influence in the sale have moved on. If the topic is brought up at the showcase, I am sure someone will find a way to blame mayor miller for the sale (he seems to be the scapegoat for everything nowadays). I completely agree with the net neutrality front, but from a business/political perspective, it wasn't viable given all of the "ahem" corrupt politicians we have in this great city. And when money talks, people want to cash in before their time is up...and thats all I have to say about that (wink, wink). On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > Thanks, A C.? This is disappointing but not surprising.? The press release > didn't include a quote from anyone at the City -- presumably they'd prefer > to keep a lid on this deal.? I wonder if some shit-disturber will bring it > up at next week's Toronto Innovation Showcase: > http://www.toronto.ca/toshowcase/ > > I've been infected with the vision of a convergence of the open web, open > data, open spectrum and net neutrality movements.? They're all different > sides of the same coin (in my opinion), and if that had been more clear to > everyone before the sale went through, it may have been easier to build > support to stop it. > > Gabe > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, A C wrote: >> >> wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having >> worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, >> everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. >> ?There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold >> by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the >> potential to stop this sale. >> >> 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a >> hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses >> and enterprises only. ?And this is purposely omitting the onezone >> network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to >> market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. >> >> 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale >> >> The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the >> amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. >> >> this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please >> remember it is the opinion of one person only. >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: >> > [Of course, we don't yet know the details.? But does this not remind us >> > of >> > the classic tragedy of privatization?? The city just sold this fiber >> > network >> > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now >> > they're >> > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] >> > >> > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html >> > >> > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto >> > >> > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data >> > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million dollar >> > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area >> > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically >> > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. >> > >> > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to City >> > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public Library, >> > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and >> > Toronto >> > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. >> > >> > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for >> > security, >> > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco Data >> > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a >> > solution >> > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our >> > network." >> > >> > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic >> > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see >> > Cogeco >> > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto >> > area. >> > >> > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City of >> > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving an >> > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow >> > the >> > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without worries >> > of >> > throughput delays. >> > >> > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period >> > with >> > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of >> > construction >> > completed by 2011. >> > >> > About Cogeco Data Services >> > >> > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet MetroLAN, >> > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and >> > Business >> > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the fast, >> > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large >> > amounts >> > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is >> > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that >> > scale to >> > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public >> > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, a >> > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. >> > >> > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing and >> > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, >> > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> > >> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// >> www.netspec.ca >> msn: netspec at gmail.com >> Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -- /////////////////////////////////////////////// www.netspec.ca msn: netspec at gmail.com Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec /////////////////////////////////////////////// From gabe at pwd.ca Thu Oct 29 17:24:07 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:24:07 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Seeking advice - hotspot in a public park In-Reply-To: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> References: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <95b1c3780910291424l4d74f891o89383e124168cd4d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jon -- Bellevue Square is a nice little park, and it's surrounded on all sides with houses and shops. As far as I know, there's no way to get access to a reliable & secure power source inside the park. So then it'd be a matter of beaming wifi in from one of the neighbours. I'm going from memory here, but I think the north and west sides have denser tree coverage. This might mean that it'd be harder to get a strong signal into the park from those sides. I think the steps would be: 1) Decide which part(s) of the park need best coverage. 2) Find people whose home/shop faces the park, and who would be willing to allow a wifi router to be attached to the exterior of their building. 3) Figure out if the line of sight from those locations would give you the coverage you're looking for. 4) Figure out if the router host is also willing to share their bandwidth, or if you need a separate backhaul solution. (mesh from someplace else? run separate dsl?) Does that help? Gabe On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jon Alexander wrote: > Hi folks -- I'm thinking about starting a little initiative to see if > it's feasible to put up a hotspot in Bellevue Square Park in Kensington > Market. > > I haven't previously installed a wireless hotspot in a park, but some of > you probably have, perhaps in Dufferin Grove or elsewhere. > > I don't want to impose on your time, but if those of you who know, would > kindly shoot me back one or two pieces of advice on how to get started, > I'd be grateful. > > Thanks! > > Jon > > -- > Jon Alexander > w.416.348.9710.x3039 > c.416.805.4332 > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091029/dc4acd43/attachment.htm From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca Fri Oct 30 11:30:21 2009 From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:30:21 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: not surprising. same old story. I think it sounds worse than it really is. To me, it sounds like the city is just redoing the deal with CDS that they already had with TorHydro. Who else would they use? especially when I suspect most of their services are probably strewn all over that network in complete disarray. Switching data service providers is bad enough without government and IT bureaucracy. It is definitely a shame that our City gave up the fibre golden goose. I hope the same doesn't happen to our public airwaves, the last remaining hope for public infrastructure. Jason - 2009/10/29 A C > the problem is that toronto hydro telecom catered to businesses and > enterprise markets. there were a few case studies done on why the > sale would not be beneficial to the city, but of course these case > studies are always paid for. The sale has been brushed under a rug > and most of the inside sources who had a direct influence in the sale > have moved on. If the topic is brought up at the showcase, I am sure > someone will find a way to blame mayor miller for the sale (he seems > to be the scapegoat for everything nowadays). I completely agree with > the net neutrality front, but from a business/political perspective, > it wasn't viable given all of the "ahem" corrupt politicians we have > in this great city. And when money talks, people want to cash in > before their time is up...and thats all I have to say about that > (wink, wink). > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > > Thanks, A C. This is disappointing but not surprising. The press > release > > didn't include a quote from anyone at the City -- presumably they'd > prefer > > to keep a lid on this deal. I wonder if some shit-disturber will bring > it > > up at next week's Toronto Innovation Showcase: > > http://www.toronto.ca/toshowcase/ > > > > I've been infected with the vision of a convergence of the open web, open > > data, open spectrum and net neutrality movements. They're all different > > sides of the same coin (in my opinion), and if that had been more clear > to > > everyone before the sale went through, it may have been easier to build > > support to stop it. > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, A C wrote: > >> > >> wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having > >> worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, > >> everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. > >> There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold > >> by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the > >> potential to stop this sale. > >> > >> 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a > >> hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses > >> and enterprises only. And this is purposely omitting the onezone > >> network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to > >> market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. > >> > >> 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale > >> > >> The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the > >> amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. > >> > >> this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please > >> remember it is the opinion of one person only. > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > >> > [Of course, we don't yet know the details. But does this not remind > us > >> > of > >> > the classic tragedy of privatization? The city just sold this fiber > >> > network > >> > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now > >> > they're > >> > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] > >> > > >> > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html > >> > > >> > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto > >> > > >> > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data > >> > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million > dollar > >> > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area > >> > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically > >> > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. > >> > > >> > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to > City > >> > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public > Library, > >> > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and > >> > Toronto > >> > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. > >> > > >> > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for > >> > security, > >> > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco > Data > >> > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a > >> > solution > >> > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our > >> > network." > >> > > >> > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic > >> > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see > >> > Cogeco > >> > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto > >> > area. > >> > > >> > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City > of > >> > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving > an > >> > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow > >> > the > >> > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without > worries > >> > of > >> > throughput delays. > >> > > >> > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period > >> > with > >> > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of > >> > construction > >> > completed by 2011. > >> > > >> > About Cogeco Data Services > >> > > >> > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet > MetroLAN, > >> > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and > >> > Business > >> > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the > fast, > >> > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large > >> > amounts > >> > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is > >> > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that > >> > scale to > >> > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public > >> > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, > a > >> > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. > >> > > >> > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing > and > >> > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, > >> > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > >> > > >> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> www.netspec.ca > >> msn: netspec at gmail.com > >> Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec > >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> _______________________________________________ > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > >> > >> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > www.netspec.ca > msn: netspec at gmail.com > Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 Gabe Sawhney wrote: > Hi Jon -- > Bellevue Square is a nice little park, and it's surrounded on all > sides with houses and shops. > > As far as I know, there's no way to get access to a reliable & secure > power source inside the park. So then it'd be a matter of beaming > wifi in from one of the neighbours. > > I'm going from memory here, but I think the north and west sides have > denser tree coverage. This might mean that it'd be harder to get a > strong signal into the park from those sides. > > I think the steps would be: > 1) Decide which part(s) of the park need best coverage. > 2) Find people whose home/shop faces the park, and who would be > willing to allow a wifi router to be attached to the exterior of their > building. > 3) Figure out if the line of sight from those locations would give you > the coverage you're looking for. > 4) Figure out if the router host is also willing to share their > bandwidth, or if you need a separate backhaul solution. (mesh from > someplace else? run separate dsl?) > > Does that help? > > Gabe > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jon Alexander > > wrote: > > Hi folks -- I'm thinking about starting a little initiative to see if > it's feasible to put up a hotspot in Bellevue Square Park in > Kensington > Market. > > I haven't previously installed a wireless hotspot in a park, but > some of > you probably have, perhaps in Dufferin Grove or elsewhere. > > I don't want to impose on your time, but if those of you who know, > would > kindly shoot me back one or two pieces of advice on how to get > started, > I'd be grateful. > > Thanks! > > Jon > > -- > Jon Alexander > w.416.348.9710.x3039 > c.416.805.4332 > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091030/552898bd/attachment.htm From readability at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 12:00:26 2009 From: readability at gmail.com (Chad M) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:00:26 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Seeking advice - hotspot in a public park In-Reply-To: <4AEB0BEC.9030700@utoronto.ca> References: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> <95b1c3780910291424l4d74f891o89383e124168cd4d@mail.gmail.com> <4AEB0BEC.9030700@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <2dd1bbc50910300900pbb554ej5d7cabacf20a5bb0@mail.gmail.com> Jon, Chad from Hacklab.TO here, we're a technology collective located in Kensington Market. There might be interest within our group to help make this happen / to help with maintenance of the site once its up and running. I think its a good endeavour. On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jon Alexander wrote: > Thanks Gabe -- that certainly helps frame a starting approach. > > It may prove too much work for me right now, with other things looming, but > I intend to at least seek out and talk the idea up with some Kensington > stakeholders e.g. Streets are for People, KMAC, KMWG, the BIA(s), etc. > > J. > > Jon Alexander > w.416.348.9710.x3039 > c.416.805.4332 > > > > Gabe Sawhney wrote: > > Hi Jon -- > Bellevue Square is a nice little park, and it's surrounded on all sides > with houses and shops. > > As far as I know, there's no way to get access to a reliable & secure power > source inside the park. So then it'd be a matter of beaming wifi in from > one of the neighbours. > > I'm going from memory here, but I think the north and west sides have > denser tree coverage. This might mean that it'd be harder to get a strong > signal into the park from those sides. > > I think the steps would be: > 1) Decide which part(s) of the park need best coverage. > 2) Find people whose home/shop faces the park, and who would be willing to > allow a wifi router to be attached to the exterior of their building. > 3) Figure out if the line of sight from those locations would give you the > coverage you're looking for. > 4) Figure out if the router host is also willing to share their bandwidth, > or if you need a separate backhaul solution. (mesh from someplace else? > run separate dsl?) > > Does that help? > > Gabe > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jon Alexander wrote: > >> Hi folks -- I'm thinking about starting a little initiative to see if >> it's feasible to put up a hotspot in Bellevue Square Park in Kensington >> Market. >> >> I haven't previously installed a wireless hotspot in a park, but some of >> you probably have, perhaps in Dufferin Grove or elsewhere. >> >> I don't want to impose on your time, but if those of you who know, would >> kindly shoot me back one or two pieces of advice on how to get started, >> I'd be grateful. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jon >> >> -- >> Jon Alexander >> w.416.348.9710.x3039 >> c.416.805.4332 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing listwirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.cahttp://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091030/e5e850c2/attachment.htm From gabe at pwd.ca Fri Oct 30 12:03:36 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:03:36 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95b1c3780910300903q3b295f87nf38b3d841011825b@mail.gmail.com> There's some more info in this article: http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/city-of-toronto-inks-wide-area-network-contract/139167 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM, A C wrote: > the problem is that toronto hydro telecom catered to businesses and > enterprise markets. there were a few case studies done on why the > sale would not be beneficial to the city, but of course these case > studies are always paid for. The sale has been brushed under a rug > and most of the inside sources who had a direct influence in the sale > have moved on. If the topic is brought up at the showcase, I am sure > someone will find a way to blame mayor miller for the sale (he seems > to be the scapegoat for everything nowadays). I completely agree with > the net neutrality front, but from a business/political perspective, > it wasn't viable given all of the "ahem" corrupt politicians we have > in this great city. And when money talks, people want to cash in > before their time is up...and thats all I have to say about that > (wink, wink). > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > > Thanks, A C. This is disappointing but not surprising. The press > release > > didn't include a quote from anyone at the City -- presumably they'd > prefer > > to keep a lid on this deal. I wonder if some shit-disturber will bring > it > > up at next week's Toronto Innovation Showcase: > > http://www.toronto.ca/toshowcase/ > > > > I've been infected with the vision of a convergence of the open web, open > > data, open spectrum and net neutrality movements. They're all different > > sides of the same coin (in my opinion), and if that had been more clear > to > > everyone before the sale went through, it may have been easier to build > > support to stop it. > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, A C wrote: > >> > >> wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having > >> worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, > >> everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. > >> There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold > >> by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the > >> potential to stop this sale. > >> > >> 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a > >> hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses > >> and enterprises only. And this is purposely omitting the onezone > >> network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to > >> market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. > >> > >> 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale > >> > >> The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the > >> amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. > >> > >> this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please > >> remember it is the opinion of one person only. > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > >> > [Of course, we don't yet know the details. But does this not remind > us > >> > of > >> > the classic tragedy of privatization? The city just sold this fiber > >> > network > >> > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now > >> > they're > >> > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] > >> > > >> > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html > >> > > >> > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto > >> > > >> > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data > >> > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million > dollar > >> > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area > >> > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically > >> > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. > >> > > >> > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to > City > >> > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public > Library, > >> > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and > >> > Toronto > >> > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. > >> > > >> > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for > >> > security, > >> > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco > Data > >> > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a > >> > solution > >> > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our > >> > network." > >> > > >> > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic > >> > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see > >> > Cogeco > >> > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto > >> > area. > >> > > >> > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City > of > >> > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving > an > >> > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow > >> > the > >> > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without > worries > >> > of > >> > throughput delays. > >> > > >> > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period > >> > with > >> > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of > >> > construction > >> > completed by 2011. > >> > > >> > About Cogeco Data Services > >> > > >> > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet > MetroLAN, > >> > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and > >> > Business > >> > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the > fast, > >> > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large > >> > amounts > >> > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is > >> > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that > >> > scale to > >> > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public > >> > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, > a > >> > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. > >> > > >> > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing > and > >> > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, > >> > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > >> > > >> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> www.netspec.ca > >> msn: netspec at gmail.com > >> Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec > >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> _______________________________________________ > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > >> > >> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > www.netspec.ca > msn: netspec at gmail.com > Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091030/999c2750/attachment.htm From jon.alexander at utoronto.ca Fri Oct 30 12:14:04 2009 From: jon.alexander at utoronto.ca (Jon Alexander) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:14:04 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Seeking advice - hotspot in a public park In-Reply-To: <2dd1bbc50910300900pbb554ej5d7cabacf20a5bb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> <95b1c3780910291424l4d74f891o89383e124168cd4d@mail.gmail.com> <4AEB0BEC.9030700@utoronto.ca> <2dd1bbc50910300900pbb554ej5d7cabacf20a5bb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AEB10CC.3070402@utoronto.ca> Hi Chad -- thanks, I will get in touch. I've been one of your open Tuesday meetings at Leigh Honeywell's invite -- it would be great to work with you on this! Jon Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 Chad M wrote: > Jon, > > Chad from Hacklab.TO here, we're a technology collective located in > Kensington Market. There might be interest within our group to help > make this happen / to help with maintenance of the site once its up > and running. I think its a good endeavour. > > From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca Fri Oct 30 12:58:36 2009 From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:58:36 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910300903q3b295f87nf38b3d841011825b@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910300903q3b295f87nf38b3d841011825b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: looks status quo to me. that's includes the high cost =) =jr 2009/10/30 Gabe Sawhney > There's some more info in this article: > > http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/city-of-toronto-inks-wide-area-network-contract/139167 > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM, A C wrote: > >> the problem is that toronto hydro telecom catered to businesses and >> enterprise markets. there were a few case studies done on why the >> sale would not be beneficial to the city, but of course these case >> studies are always paid for. The sale has been brushed under a rug >> and most of the inside sources who had a direct influence in the sale >> have moved on. If the topic is brought up at the showcase, I am sure >> someone will find a way to blame mayor miller for the sale (he seems >> to be the scapegoat for everything nowadays). I completely agree with >> the net neutrality front, but from a business/political perspective, >> it wasn't viable given all of the "ahem" corrupt politicians we have >> in this great city. And when money talks, people want to cash in >> before their time is up...and thats all I have to say about that >> (wink, wink). >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: >> > Thanks, A C. This is disappointing but not surprising. The press >> release >> > didn't include a quote from anyone at the City -- presumably they'd >> prefer >> > to keep a lid on this deal. I wonder if some shit-disturber will bring >> it >> > up at next week's Toronto Innovation Showcase: >> > http://www.toronto.ca/toshowcase/ >> > >> > I've been infected with the vision of a convergence of the open web, >> open >> > data, open spectrum and net neutrality movements. They're all different >> > sides of the same coin (in my opinion), and if that had been more clear >> to >> > everyone before the sale went through, it may have been easier to build >> > support to stop it. >> > >> > Gabe >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, A C wrote: >> >> >> >> wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having >> >> worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, >> >> everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. >> >> There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold >> >> by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the >> >> potential to stop this sale. >> >> >> >> 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a >> >> hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses >> >> and enterprises only. And this is purposely omitting the onezone >> >> network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to >> >> market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. >> >> >> >> 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale >> >> >> >> The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the >> >> amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. >> >> >> >> this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please >> >> remember it is the opinion of one person only. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: >> >> > [Of course, we don't yet know the details. But does this not remind >> us >> >> > of >> >> > the classic tragedy of privatization? The city just sold this fiber >> >> > network >> >> > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now >> >> > they're >> >> > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] >> >> > >> >> > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html >> >> > >> >> > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto >> >> > >> >> > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data >> >> > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million >> dollar >> >> > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area >> >> > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically >> >> > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. >> >> > >> >> > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to >> City >> >> > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public >> Library, >> >> > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and >> >> > Toronto >> >> > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. >> >> > >> >> > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for >> >> > security, >> >> > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco >> Data >> >> > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a >> >> > solution >> >> > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our >> >> > network." >> >> > >> >> > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic >> >> > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see >> >> > Cogeco >> >> > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto >> >> > area. >> >> > >> >> > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City >> of >> >> > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving >> an >> >> > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow >> >> > the >> >> > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without >> worries >> >> > of >> >> > throughput delays. >> >> > >> >> > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period >> >> > with >> >> > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of >> >> > construction >> >> > completed by 2011. >> >> > >> >> > About Cogeco Data Services >> >> > >> >> > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet >> MetroLAN, >> >> > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and >> >> > Business >> >> > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the >> fast, >> >> > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large >> >> > amounts >> >> > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is >> >> > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that >> >> > scale to >> >> > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and >> public >> >> > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data >> Services, a >> >> > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com >> . >> >> > >> >> > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing >> and >> >> > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, >> >> > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> > >> >> > >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >> www.netspec.ca >> >> msn: netspec at gmail.com >> >> Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec >> >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> > >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// >> www.netspec.ca >> msn: netspec at gmail.com >> Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You might want to talk to Brock? from Rice Bar to get some insight on the landscape of the Market's Business co-operative efforts. I suspect you will get better results from independent biz owners. There are many that already have wifi and may be willing to partner such as Sublime Cafe. Jason - 2009/10/30 Chad M > Jon, > > Chad from Hacklab.TO here, we're a technology collective located in > Kensington Market. There might be interest within our group to help make > this happen / to help with maintenance of the site once its up and running. > I think its a good endeavour. > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jon Alexander > wrote: > >> Thanks Gabe -- that certainly helps frame a starting approach. >> >> It may prove too much work for me right now, with other things looming, >> but I intend to at least seek out and talk the idea up with some Kensington >> stakeholders e.g. Streets are for People, KMAC, KMWG, the BIA(s), etc. >> >> J. >> >> Jon Alexander >> w.416.348.9710.x3039 >> c.416.805.4332 >> >> >> >> Gabe Sawhney wrote: >> >> Hi Jon -- >> Bellevue Square is a nice little park, and it's surrounded on all sides >> with houses and shops. >> >> As far as I know, there's no way to get access to a reliable & secure >> power source inside the park. So then it'd be a matter of beaming wifi in >> from one of the neighbours. >> >> I'm going from memory here, but I think the north and west sides have >> denser tree coverage. This might mean that it'd be harder to get a strong >> signal into the park from those sides. >> >> I think the steps would be: >> 1) Decide which part(s) of the park need best coverage. >> 2) Find people whose home/shop faces the park, and who would be willing to >> allow a wifi router to be attached to the exterior of their building. >> 3) Figure out if the line of sight from those locations would give you the >> coverage you're looking for. >> 4) Figure out if the router host is also willing to share their bandwidth, >> or if you need a separate backhaul solution. (mesh from someplace else? >> run separate dsl?) >> >> Does that help? >> >> Gabe >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jon Alexander > > wrote: >> >>> Hi folks -- I'm thinking about starting a little initiative to see if >>> it's feasible to put up a hotspot in Bellevue Square Park in Kensington >>> Market. >>> >>> I haven't previously installed a wireless hotspot in a park, but some of >>> you probably have, perhaps in Dufferin Grove or elsewhere. >>> >>> I don't want to impose on your time, but if those of you who know, would >>> kindly shoot me back one or two pieces of advice on how to get started, >>> I'd be grateful. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> -- >>> Jon Alexander >>> w.416.348.9710.x3039 >>> c.416.805.4332 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >>> >>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing listwirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.cahttp://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091030/64d08234/attachment.htm From gabe at pwd.ca Tue Oct 20 11:36:32 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:36:32 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil Message-ID: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group in Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at their last meeting: - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which has around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special equipment for this. - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the map in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be providing additional support to ISF. - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like the "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do with.) They're going to be offering a free and a $2 version. - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that wifidog allows non-case-sensitive usernames. - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting with monthly releases. The major new features are an API to facilitate Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual network membership fees by credit card. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(i have an MEIC event coming up, also an Ignite -tho the drake is supposed to offer wifi it sometimes doesn't work) - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the map in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be providing additional support to ISF. ** this would be a good way to increase revenues once the portal pages are in place and offer a variety of services for $$$ or $ - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. *** i think (?) we had spoken about this - do we have a bandwidth cap right now? do we need one, esp for high-volume places like YDS or SLM? - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. *** is this something that has a negative effect on our users? do we know? have we ever sent out feedback emails to our users? - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting with monthly releases. The major new features are an API to facilitate Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. ** cool! - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual network membership fees by credit card. *** also cool. we could also setup a paypal acct if we wanted or an email money transfer system if WT has online banking (this works with the payer's bank, costs $1.50 and will make Tom v happy as he worked on the original dev team in 99) michele perras 416/805/8661 twitter: @michele_perras skype: michele perras blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ do or do not, there is no try 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney > I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group in > Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at their > last meeting: > > - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. > - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which has > around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special equipment for this. > - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for venues; > it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the map in a > different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at the > time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the portal > page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be providing > additional support to ISF. > - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. > - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like the > "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do with.) They're going > to be offering a free and a $2 version. > - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that wifidog > allows non-case-sensitive usernames. > - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account > creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options > they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better > instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their > email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible > to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. > - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting > with monthly releases. The major new features are an API to facilitate > Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. > - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual > network membership fees by credit card. > > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to keep a closer eye on how they operate because they have had much more success that we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free wifi is very different here -- it is expected here as it is in Vancity. Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi compared to other cities in Canada and the world. I am sure WT can continue to change that. I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking forward to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and will do about all this. Jason - 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney > I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group in > Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at their > last meeting: > > - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. > - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which has > around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special equipment for this. > - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for venues; > it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the map in a > different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at the > time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the portal > page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be providing > additional support to ISF. > - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. > - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like the > "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do with.) They're going > to be offering a free and a $2 version. > - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that wifidog > allows non-case-sensitive usernames. > - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account > creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options > they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better > instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their > email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible > to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. > - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting > with monthly releases. The major new features are an API to facilitate > Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. > - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual > network membership fees by credit card. > > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091020/64289dd0/attachment-0001.htm From michele.perras at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 19:57:51 2009 From: michele.perras at gmail.com (Michele Perras) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:57:51 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil In-Reply-To: References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com> Inspired by Chris Messina's talk this evening- how difficult or relevant would it be to integrate OpenID as the WT auth? On 2009-10-20, at 1:50 PM, jason roks wrote: > I like the idea of a premium service for venues to cover costs for > those who want to take advantage of the portal pages. I am not > suggesting any pricing scheme but I think the idea has merit to help > stimulate portal development. > > also for us, just catching up on past venue billing would be a good > first step =) > > Is there any discussion about auto login? maybe the iphone app can > offer that? > > It would be good to piggy back on their iphone development. > > Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to > keep a closer eye on how they operate because they have had much > more success that we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free > wifi is very different here -- it is expected here as it is in > Vancity. > Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi > compared to other cities in Canada and the world. I am sure WT can > continue to change that. > > I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking > forward to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and > will do about all this. > > Jason > - > > > 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney > I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister > group in Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they > discussed at their last meeting: > > - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. > - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, > which has around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special > equipment for this. > - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for > venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on > the map in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of > personal service at the time of installation, would allow them to > edit some content on the portal page, and would offer bandwidth > limiting. Plus they'd be providing additional support to ISF. > - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. > - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit > like the "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do > with.) They're going to be offering a free and a $2 version. > - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that > wifidog allows non-case-sensitive usernames. > - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon > account creation, recognizing that many accounts are never > validated. Options they're considering are: offering a 24-hour > grace period, better instructions/interface, redirecting new users > to the webmail login of their email service provider (when > possible), and taking whatever steps possible to ensure that > validation emails don't end up in spam folders. > - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're > sprinting with monthly releases. 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URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091020/5ef5dcb2/attachment-0001.htm From walkah at walkah.net Tue Oct 20 20:12:25 2009 From: walkah at walkah.net (James Walker) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:12:25 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil In-Reply-To: <19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> <19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com> OK, I now feel sufficiently goaded into un-lurking on this list ;-) openid support? transparent login? revamp'ing portal pages? I'm in! I have no idea what the internals of WT auth looks like right now - gabe? maybe we should grab a coffee? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Michele Perras wrote: > Inspired by Chris Messina's talk this evening- how difficult or relevant > would it be to integrate OpenID as the WT auth? > > On 2009-10-20, at 1:50 PM, jason roks wrote: > > I like the idea of a premium service for venues to cover costs for those who > want to take advantage of the portal pages. I am not suggesting > any?pricing?scheme but I think the idea has merit to help stimulate portal > development. > also for us, just catching up on past venue billing would be a good first > step =) > Is there any discussion about auto login? maybe the iphone app can offer > that? > It would be good to piggy back on their iphone development. > Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to keep a > closer eye on how they operate because they have had much more success that > we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free wifi is very different > here -- it is expected here as it is in Vancity. > Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi compared > to other cities in Canada and the world. ?I am sure WT can continue to > change that. > I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking forward > to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and will do about all > this. > Jason > - > > 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney >> >> I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group in >> Montreal).? Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at their >> last meeting: >> >> - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. >> - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which has >> around 2000 attendees.? They're working on some special equipment for this. >> - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for >> venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year.? The venue would be identified on the map >> in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at >> the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the >> portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting.? Plus they'd be providing >> additional support to ISF. >> - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. >> - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like >> the "Wireless Toronto" app.? (Which we have nothing to do with.)? They're >> going to be offering a free and a $2 version. >> - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that wifidog >> allows non-case-sensitive usernames. >> - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account >> creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated.? Options >> they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better >> instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their >> email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible >> to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. >> - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting >> with monthly releases.? The major new features are an API to facilitate >> Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. >> - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual >> network membership fees by credit card. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -- James Walker :: http://walkah.net/ :: xmpp:walkah at walkah.net From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca Thu Oct 22 11:59:29 2009 From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:59:29 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT: Potential funding opportunity? Message-ID: http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/homeFederal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario (FedDev Ontario) In response to Ontario's economic challenges, Budget 2009 provided more than $1 billion over five years for a new Southern Ontario development agency. The agency's programs will support economic and community development, innovation, and economic diversification, with contributions to communities, businesses and non-profit organizations. It will help workers, communities and businesses in Southern Ontario position themselves to take advantage of opportunities, as economic growth recovers in Canada and around the world. What's New FedDev Ontario is now accepting applicationsunder the Southern Ontario Development Program ( SODP) for projects that will stimulate local economies and enhance the growth and competitiveness of Southern Ontario businesses and communities. 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[ http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/00127.html] - When you cross-reference that with the big story in today's Globe and Star, it makes it seem like a bit of a long-shot: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/stimulus-program-favours-tory-ridings/article1333239/ http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/stimulus/article/714054--tories-starve-toronto-s-red-ridings-mp-charges Still, there's something to work with here. If someone's interested in leading the charge, I'll help however I can. Gabe On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, jason roks wrote: > http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/home Federal Economic > Development Agency for Southern Ontario (FedDev Ontario) > > In response to Ontario's economic challenges, Budget 2009 provided more > than $1 billion over five years for a new Southern Ontario development > agency. The agency's programs will support economic and community > development, innovation, and economic diversification, with contributions to > communities, businesses and non-profit organizations. It will help workers, > communities and businesses in Southern Ontario position themselves to take > advantage of opportunities, as economic growth recovers in Canada and around > the world. > What's New > > FedDev Ontario is now accepting applicationsunder the Southern Ontario Development Program ( > SODP) for projects that will stimulate local economies and enhance the > growth and competitiveness of Southern Ontario businesses and communities. > For more information, click here. > > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-board mailing list > wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091022/8f9d6a60/attachment-0001.htm From michele.perras at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 13:00:40 2009 From: michele.perras at gmail.com (Michele Perras) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:00:40 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] [wirelesstoronto-board] WT: Potential funding opportunity? In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910220952pbd1a094qe5ffaa3f9bc6072f@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910220952pbd1a094qe5ffaa3f9bc6072f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <866cd2e90910221000q114b33ebu4d68e619801a851f@mail.gmail.com> i would be all over it except we're putting one together for meic... i can offer any tips to ppl who want to lead on it as we've already spoken to the gov reps. michele perras 416/805/8661 twitter: @michele_perras skype: michele perras blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ do or do not, there is no try 2009/10/22 Gabe Sawhney > This looks like a good program! Wireless Toronto could benefit from it, > but the application would be a lot of work. > > Because I look for the negative things first: > - "Priority will be given to organizations or enterprises located in > communities in Southern Ontario with populations of 500,000 or less, as well > as to communities whose economies are less diversified and/or are reliant on > a limited number of employers." [ > http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/00127.html] > - When you cross-reference that with the big story in today's Globe and > Star, it makes it seem like a bit of a long-shot: > > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/stimulus-program-favours-tory-ridings/article1333239/ > > http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/stimulus/article/714054--tories-starve-toronto-s-red-ridings-mp-charges > > Still, there's something to work with here. If someone's interested in > leading the charge, I'll help however I can. > > Gabe > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, jason roks wrote: > >> http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/home Federal Economic >> Development Agency for Southern Ontario (FedDev Ontario) >> >> In response to Ontario's economic challenges, Budget 2009 provided more >> than $1 billion over five years for a new Southern Ontario development >> agency. The agency's programs will support economic and community >> development, innovation, and economic diversification, with contributions to >> communities, businesses and non-profit organizations. It will help workers, >> communities and businesses in Southern Ontario position themselves to take >> advantage of opportunities, as economic growth recovers in Canada and around >> the world. >> What's New >> >> FedDev Ontario is now accepting applicationsunder the Southern Ontario Development Program ( >> SODP) for projects that will stimulate local economies and enhance the >> growth and competitiveness of Southern Ontario businesses and communities. >> For more information, click here. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-board mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091022/166f0b69/attachment-0001.htm From hilary.krupa at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 13:09:37 2009 From: hilary.krupa at gmail.com (hilary krupa) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:09:37 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] [wirelesstoronto-board] WT: Potential funding opportunity? In-Reply-To: <866cd2e90910221000q114b33ebu4d68e619801a851f@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910220952pbd1a094qe5ffaa3f9bc6072f@mail.gmail.com> <866cd2e90910221000q114b33ebu4d68e619801a851f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f4e689f0910221009g26a7fe6dp63bbdc03cb87d58@mail.gmail.com> I'd be happy to lead this - Michele, let's parler! On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Michele Perras wrote: > i would be all over it except we're putting one together for meic...i can > offer any tips to ppl who want to lead on it as we've already spoken to the > gov reps. > > > michele perras > 416/805/8661 > twitter: @michele_perras > skype: michele perras > blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com > links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ > > do or do not, there is no try > > > 2009/10/22 Gabe Sawhney > >> This looks like a good program! Wireless Toronto could benefit from it, >> but the application would be a lot of work. >> >> Because I look for the negative things first: >> - "Priority will be given to organizations or enterprises located in >> communities in Southern Ontario with populations of 500,000 or less, as well >> as to communities whose economies are less diversified and/or are reliant on >> a limited number of employers." [ >> http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/00127.html] >> - When you cross-reference that with the big story in today's Globe and >> Star, it makes it seem like a bit of a long-shot: >> >> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/stimulus-program-favours-tory-ridings/article1333239/ >> >> http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/stimulus/article/714054--tories-starve-toronto-s-red-ridings-mp-charges >> >> Still, there's something to work with here. If someone's interested in >> leading the charge, I'll help however I can. >> >> Gabe >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, jason roks wrote: >> >>> http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/home Federal Economic >>> Development Agency for Southern Ontario (FedDev Ontario) >>> >>> In response to Ontario's economic challenges, Budget 2009 provided more >>> than $1 billion over five years for a new Southern Ontario development >>> agency. The agency's programs will support economic and community >>> development, innovation, and economic diversification, with contributions to >>> communities, businesses and non-profit organizations. It will help workers, >>> communities and businesses in Southern Ontario position themselves to take >>> advantage of opportunities, as economic growth recovers in Canada and around >>> the world. >>> What's New >>> >>> FedDev Ontario is now accepting applicationsunder the Southern Ontario Development Program ( >>> SODP) for projects that will stimulate local economies and enhance the >>> growth and competitiveness of Southern Ontario businesses and communities. >>> For more information, click here. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> wirelesstoronto-board mailing list >>> wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca >>> >>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4f4e689f0910221009g26a7fe6dp63bbdc03cb87d58@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910220952pbd1a094qe5ffaa3f9bc6072f@mail.gmail.com> <866cd2e90910221000q114b33ebu4d68e619801a851f@mail.gmail.com> <4f4e689f0910221009g26a7fe6dp63bbdc03cb87d58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <866cd2e90910221011r376b8ca9k20558ab12f6fce62@mail.gmail.com> yep, np. one other eligibility requirement is that the applicant must be formalized, ie - an institution, non-profit, association, etc. thoughts? michele perras 416/805/8661 twitter: @michele_perras skype: michele perras blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ do or do not, there is no try 2009/10/22 hilary krupa > I'd be happy to lead this - Michele, let's parler! > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Michele Perras wrote: > >> i would be all over it except we're putting one together for meic... >> i can offer any tips to ppl who want to lead on it as we've already spoken >> to the gov reps. >> >> >> michele perras >> 416/805/8661 >> twitter: @michele_perras >> skype: michele perras >> blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com >> links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ >> >> do or do not, there is no try >> >> >> 2009/10/22 Gabe Sawhney >> >>> This looks like a good program! Wireless Toronto could benefit from it, >>> but the application would be a lot of work. >>> >>> Because I look for the negative things first: >>> - "Priority will be given to organizations or enterprises located in >>> communities in Southern Ontario with populations of 500,000 or less, as well >>> as to communities whose economies are less diversified and/or are reliant on >>> a limited number of employers." [ >>> http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/00127.html] >>> - When you cross-reference that with the big story in today's Globe and >>> Star, it makes it seem like a bit of a long-shot: >>> >>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/stimulus-program-favours-tory-ridings/article1333239/ >>> >>> http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/stimulus/article/714054--tories-starve-toronto-s-red-ridings-mp-charges >>> >>> Still, there's something to work with here. If someone's interested in >>> leading the charge, I'll help however I can. >>> >>> Gabe >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, jason roks wrote: >>> >>>> http://southernontario.gc.ca/eic/site/723.nsf/eng/home Federal Economic >>>> Development Agency for Southern Ontario (FedDev Ontario) >>>> >>>> In response to Ontario's economic challenges, Budget 2009 provided more >>>> than $1 billion over five years for a new Southern Ontario development >>>> agency. The agency's programs will support economic and community >>>> development, innovation, and economic diversification, with contributions to >>>> communities, businesses and non-profit organizations. It will help workers, >>>> communities and businesses in Southern Ontario position themselves to take >>>> advantage of opportunities, as economic growth recovers in Canada and around >>>> the world. >>>> What's New >>>> >>>> FedDev Ontario is now accepting applicationsunder the Southern Ontario Development Program ( >>>> SODP) for projects that will stimulate local economies and enhance the >>>> growth and competitiveness of Southern Ontario businesses and communities. >>>> For more information, click here. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> wirelesstoronto-board mailing list >>>> wirelesstoronto-board at wirelesstoronto.ca >>>> >>>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-board >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >>> >>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091022/707696af/attachment-0001.htm From gabe at pwd.ca Thu Oct 22 13:33:33 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:33:33 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil In-Reply-To: <1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> <19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com> <1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95b1c3780910221033k16f4be54gaa62de02669d7356@mail.gmail.com> Short answer: Sure, I'm up for a coffee. Long answer: There's no clear answer to question about if or how we could start using OpenID: - Right how we're managing most of our hotspots using wifidog, which doesn't support OpenID. - A new version of wifidog is in development. It also won't have built-in support for OpenID, but it'll feature an API which will allow us to use WordPress (or, um, other CMSes) for our portal pages. - So, our portal page CMS could use OpenID. - At the same time, we're experimenting with mesh networks, using the open-mesh platform. - Wifidog has no clear roadmap with respect to mesh networks. - I have a vision for a multi-layered authentication/bandwidth-accounting/abuse-prevention system for our network which no open-source platform I've found can currently support. - We've gotta figure out what direction we want to go as a group and as a network, and keep an eye out in the next few months to see which platforms evolve in which ways. It's a complex landscape of options. Wireless Toronto's new board structure features a position responsible for "R&D", which is presently not filled. Interested? Gabe On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, James Walker wrote: > OK, I now feel sufficiently goaded into un-lurking on this list ;-) > > openid support? transparent login? revamp'ing portal pages? > > I'm in! > > I have no idea what the internals of WT auth looks like right now - > gabe? maybe we should grab a coffee? > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Michele Perras > wrote: > > Inspired by Chris Messina's talk this evening- how difficult or relevant > > would it be to integrate OpenID as the WT auth? > > > > On 2009-10-20, at 1:50 PM, jason roks wrote: > > > > I like the idea of a premium service for venues to cover costs for those > who > > want to take advantage of the portal pages. I am not suggesting > > any pricing scheme but I think the idea has merit to help stimulate > portal > > development. > > also for us, just catching up on past venue billing would be a good first > > step =) > > Is there any discussion about auto login? maybe the iphone app can offer > > that? > > It would be good to piggy back on their iphone development. > > Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to keep a > > closer eye on how they operate because they have had much more success > that > > we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free wifi is very different > > here -- it is expected here as it is in Vancity. > > Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi > compared > > to other cities in Canada and the world. I am sure WT can continue to > > change that. > > I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking > forward > > to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and will do about > all > > this. > > Jason > > - > > > > 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney > >> > >> I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group > in > >> Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at > their > >> last meeting: > >> > >> - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. > >> - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which > has > >> around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special equipment for > this. > >> - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for > >> venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the > map > >> in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service > at > >> the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the > >> portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be > providing > >> additional support to ISF. > >> - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. > >> - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like > >> the "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do with.) > They're > >> going to be offering a free and a $2 version. > >> - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that > wifidog > >> allows non-case-sensitive usernames. > >> - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account > >> creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options > >> they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better > >> instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of > their > >> email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps > possible > >> to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. > >> - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting > >> with monthly releases. The major new features are an API to facilitate > >> Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. > >> - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual > >> network membership fees by credit card. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > >> > >> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > James Walker :: http://walkah.net/ :: xmpp:walkah at walkah.net > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This got me wondering if there as any utility in creating a similar app that could be configured to use either 3g/edge or a neighbouring closed wifi hotspot (such as second cup or starbucks) and repeat a wireless Toronto open hotspot. Is this the sort of thing that could be cobbled together from existing open source technology, or would it be a major programming challenge? If it's the former, iot might be worth creating versions for WinMo and Android, and unleash a legion of ad-hoc hotspots. Also, are there legal implications we should be worried about? Mo From: wirelesstoronto-discuss-bounces at wirelesstoronto.ca [mailto:wirelesstoronto-discuss-bounces at wirelesstoronto.ca] On Behalf Of Gabe Sawhney Sent: October-22-09 1:34 PM To: wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca Subject: Re: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil Short answer: Sure, I'm up for a coffee. Long answer: There's no clear answer to question about if or how we could start using OpenID: - Right how we're managing most of our hotspots using wifidog, which doesn't support OpenID. - A new version of wifidog is in development. It also won't have built-in support for OpenID, but it'll feature an API which will allow us to use WordPress (or, um, other CMSes) for our portal pages. - So, our portal page CMS could use OpenID. - At the same time, we're experimenting with mesh networks, using the open-mesh platform. - Wifidog has no clear roadmap with respect to mesh networks. - I have a vision for a multi-layered authentication/bandwidth-accounting/abuse-prevention system for our network which no open-source platform I've found can currently support. - We've gotta figure out what direction we want to go as a group and as a network, and keep an eye out in the next few months to see which platforms evolve in which ways. It's a complex landscape of options. Wireless Toronto's new board structure features a position responsible for "R&D", which is presently not filled. Interested? Gabe On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, James Walker wrote: OK, I now feel sufficiently goaded into un-lurking on this list ;-) openid support? transparent login? revamp'ing portal pages? I'm in! I have no idea what the internals of WT auth looks like right now - gabe? maybe we should grab a coffee? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Michele Perras wrote: > Inspired by Chris Messina's talk this evening- how difficult or relevant > would it be to integrate OpenID as the WT auth? > > On 2009-10-20, at 1:50 PM, jason roks wrote: > > I like the idea of a premium service for venues to cover costs for those who > want to take advantage of the portal pages. I am not suggesting > any pricing scheme but I think the idea has merit to help stimulate portal > development. > also for us, just catching up on past venue billing would be a good first > step =) > Is there any discussion about auto login? maybe the iphone app can offer > that? > It would be good to piggy back on their iphone development. > Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to keep a > closer eye on how they operate because they have had much more success that > we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free wifi is very different > here -- it is expected here as it is in Vancity. > Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi compared > to other cities in Canada and the world. I am sure WT can continue to > change that. > I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking forward > to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and will do about all > this. > Jason > - > > 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney >> >> I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group in >> Montreal). Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at their >> last meeting: >> >> - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees. >> - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which has >> around 2000 attendees. They're working on some special equipment for this. >> - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for >> venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year. The venue would be identified on the map >> in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service at >> the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the >> portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting. Plus they'd be providing >> additional support to ISF. >> - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users. >> - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like >> the "Wireless Toronto" app. (Which we have nothing to do with.) They're >> going to be offering a free and a $2 version. >> - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that wifidog >> allows non-case-sensitive usernames. >> - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account >> creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated. Options >> they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better >> instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of their >> email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps possible >> to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders. >> - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting >> with monthly releases. The major new features are an API to facilitate >> Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration. >> - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual >> network membership fees by credit card. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-dis cuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-dis cuss > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-dis cuss > > -- James Walker :: http://walkah.net/ :: xmpp:walkah at walkah.net _______________________________________________ wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-dis cuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091022/33f96753/attachment-0001.htm From jon.alexander at utoronto.ca Thu Oct 22 14:59:10 2009 From: jon.alexander at utoronto.ca (Jon Alexander) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:59:10 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] WT: Potential funding opportunity? In-Reply-To: <866cd2e90910221011r376b8ca9k20558ab12f6fce62@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910220952pbd1a094qe5ffaa3f9bc6072f@mail.gmail.com> <866cd2e90910221000q114b33ebu4d68e619801a851f@mail.gmail.com> <4f4e689f0910221009g26a7fe6dp63bbdc03cb87d58@mail.gmail.com> <866cd2e90910221011r376b8ca9k20558ab12f6fce62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE0AB7E.5090609@utoronto.ca> One possible option (there may be others in the pipe) -- something I've had in the back of my mind, that might be worth considering. I could introduce Gabe or the appropriate /responsable/, to Desi Benet, the ED at Phoenix Community Works Foundation (pcwf.ca). It might be possible for W'lessTO to become a partner-project with PCWF, which is a registered non-profit, and happens to also have just recently moved into the CSI. This is something they've done quite a bit of. I just called Desi (416 964-3380) and she's apparently gone home feeling unwell, but I would think we might be able to make a connection sometime in the near term, if desired. Jon Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 Michele Perras wrote: > yep, np. > one other eligibility requirement is that the applicant must be > formalized, ie - an institution, non-profit, association, etc. > thoughts? > > michele perras > 416/805/8661 > twitter: @michele_perras > skype: michele perras > blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com > links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & > del.icio.us/_catalan_ > > do or do not, there is no try > > > 2009/10/22 hilary krupa > > > I'd be happy to lead this - Michele, let's parler! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091022/3047bb20/attachment-0001.htm From wirelesstoronto at m2020.com Sun Oct 25 22:07:44 2009 From: wirelesstoronto at m2020.com (Lee Andrew MacNeill) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:07:44 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] App idea References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com><19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com><1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com><95b1c3780910221033k16f4be54gaa62de02669d7356@mail.gmail.com> <003c01ca5341$3c837bf0$b58a73d0$@com> Message-ID: <1B7D40B21CF64C48A65F6181E64BCD4B@scaffold> Specifically, there are a number of applications that will turn an iphone into an ad-hoc wifi router, using 3g as the backhaul. This got me wondering if there as any utility in creating a similar app that could be configured to use either 3g/edge or a neighbouring closed wifi hotspot (such as second cup or starbucks) and repeat a wireless Toronto open hotspot. Brilliant, I love it! Can you write it? Also, how does one release an app on the App Store, so people needn't (necessarily) jailbreak? Is this the sort of thing that could be cobbled together from existing open source technology, or would it be a major programming challenge? If it's the former, iot might be worth creating versions for WinMo and Android, and unleash a legion of ad-hoc hotspots. I like the sound of that. I can't use real VoIP on the iPhone? Fine. I'll use the iPhone's 3G as a backhaul for a mobile hotspot, and use the real VoIP on the netbook in my backpack instead. Eat it, Rogers. Also, are there legal implications we should be worried about? Probably not. But once people realize the implications of someone giving away an app like this, expect the fearmongering to start. I think this is when we may find out that the capped data plans, even the big ones, are the real problem after all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091025/297090cb/attachment-0001.htm From michele.perras at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 14:14:55 2009 From: michele.perras at gmail.com (Michele Perras) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:14:55 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting! Message-ID: <866cd2e90910261114p31b7787bh2d4dadc602d84208@mail.gmail.com> Hey everyone! The next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting will be on Monday November 9th, from 5:45-8pm at the Centre for Social Innovation (Ste 120). We haven't met in a while, so it's a great time to come out if you've never been to one of our meetings. We'll catch everyone up on what we've been up to, and talk about some opportunities this spring and summer. Lots of ways to get involved, for designers, techies, writers, community folks, etc. Generally speaking, we'll be talking about the following: Intros Overview of Wireless Toronto and Goals Updates from WT Board members New business and ideas Hope to see you there! Cheers, Michele michele perras 416/805/8661 twitter: @michele_perras skype: michele perras blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & del.icio.us/_catalan_ do or do not, there is no try -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091026/715aefcd/attachment-0001.htm From jon.alexander at utoronto.ca Mon Oct 26 15:49:39 2009 From: jon.alexander at utoronto.ca (Jon Alexander) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:49:39 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting! In-Reply-To: <866cd2e90910261114p31b7787bh2d4dadc602d84208@mail.gmail.com> References: <866cd2e90910261114p31b7787bh2d4dadc602d84208@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE5FD53.60509@utoronto.ca> Thanks Michele -- count me in. Jon Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 Michele Perras wrote: > Hey everyone! > > The next Wireless Toronto Volunteer Meeting will be on Monday November > 9th, from 5:45-8pm at the Centre for Social Innovation (Ste 120). > > We haven't met in a while, so it's a great time to come out if > you've never been to one of our meetings. We'll catch everyone up on > what we've been up to, and talk about some opportunities this spring > and summer. Lots of ways to get involved, for designers, > techies, writers, community folks, etc. > > Generally speaking, we'll be talking about the following: > > Intros > Overview of Wireless Toronto and Goals > Updates from WT Board members > New business and ideas > > > Hope to see you there! > Cheers, > Michele > > > > > > michele perras > 416/805/8661 > twitter: @michele_perras > skype: michele perras > blog: shotfromthehip.wordpress.com > links: patatas-bravas.tumblr.com & > del.icio.us/_catalan_ > > do or do not, there is no try > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091026/de91b0c2/attachment-0001.htm From mo at alnuaimy.com Mon Oct 26 16:08:09 2009 From: mo at alnuaimy.com (M. Al-Nuaimy) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:08:09 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] App idea In-Reply-To: <1B7D40B21CF64C48A65F6181E64BCD4B@scaffold> References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com><19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com><1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com><95b1c3780910221033k16f4be54gaa62de02669d7356@mail.gmail.com> <003c01ca5341$3c837bf0$b58a73d0$@com> <1B7D40B21CF64C48A65F6181E64BCD4B@scaffold> Message-ID: <001201ca5678$0ba557d0$22f00770$@com> Specifically, there are a number of applications that will turn an iphone into an ad-hoc wifi router, using 3g as the backhaul. This got me wondering if there as any utility in creating a similar app that could be configured to use either 3g/edge or a neighbouring closed wifi hotspot (such as second cup or starbucks) and repeat a wireless Toronto open hotspot. Brilliant, I love it! Can you write it? [Mo:] Sadly, no. I'm not really a programmer (I just play one on small underfunded projects). The coding element of something like this would definitely be above my skill level. [Mo:] On the other hand, I'm reasonably handy at project design, proposal writing, project management and usability design, so if there was a source of funding I'd be happy to chase after it. Michele, is this something MIEC could help us find? Also, how does one release an app on the App Store, so people needn't (necessarily) jailbreak? [Mo:] This sounds like a question for Gabe. How was working with the App Store people when you released the current Wireless Toronto app? Is this the sort of thing that could be cobbled together from existing open source technology, or would it be a major programming challenge? If it's the former, iot might be worth creating versions for WinMo and Android, and unleash a legion of ad-hoc hotspots. I like the sound of that. I can't use real VoIP on the iPhone? Fine. I'll use the iPhone's 3G as a backhaul for a mobile hotspot, and use the real VoIP on the netbook in my backpack instead. Eat it, Rogers. [Mo:] Actually, if you have a jailbroken phone there's a handy app called iPhone Unrestricor that tricks apps into thinking they're still on Wifi. It works with skype. Also, are there legal implications we should be worried about? Probably not. But once people realize the implications of someone giving away an app like this, expect the fearmongering to start. 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URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091026/c3b939d7/attachment-0001.htm From gabe at pwd.ca Mon Oct 26 17:32:13 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:32:13 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] App idea In-Reply-To: <001201ca5678$0ba557d0$22f00770$@com> References: <95b1c3780910200836m3062f17cp9b8791390a3fbd87@mail.gmail.com> <19EFD7AA-B175-4EF7-83CC-B6997CD84876@gmail.com> <1b521a10910201712m54fe114fwb917aea359ac740c@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910221033k16f4be54gaa62de02669d7356@mail.gmail.com> <003c01ca5341$3c837bf0$b58a73d0$@com> <1B7D40B21CF64C48A65F6181E64BCD4B@scaffold> <001201ca5678$0ba557d0$22f00770$@com> Message-ID: <95b1c3780910261432t777b6630p2e327e2d67cedc53@mail.gmail.com> This project sounds fun, and would appeal to a bunch of people even beyond the Wireless Toronto community. My hunch is that you'd need to use some code that Apple considers verboten, so you'd be limited to the market of jailbroken phones. (Apple must approve any app that you want to distribute through the App Store, and will reject an app that does stuff that apps aren't supposed to be able to do, like what you're suggesting.) Sorry I can't help more than that. You might be able to build it as an official Android or Nokia or Blackberry or WinMo app. I've mentioned this before, but it's worth repeating: Wireless Toronto has * nothing* to do with the iPhone app called "Wireless Toronto". (It was written by someone else; the app simply lists our hotspots by proximity, and can open a map and directions by kicking out to Google Maps. It grabs the xml hotspot listing off our website.) It's *very* important that we all be clear about this, because that app was launched and marketed in a truly painful way. It could be a case study in what not to do. Gabe On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, M. Al-Nuaimy wrote: > > > Specifically, there are a number of applications that will turn an iphone > into an ad-hoc wifi router, using 3g as the backhaul. This got me wondering > if there as any utility in creating a similar app that could be configured > to use either 3g/edge or a neighbouring closed wifi hotspot (such as second > cup or starbucks) and repeat a wireless Toronto open hotspot. > > Brilliant, I love it! Can you write it? > > > > *[Mo:] Sadly, no. I?m not really a programmer (I just play one on small > underfunded projects). The coding element of something like this would > definitely be above my skill level.* > > * * > > *[Mo:] On the other hand, I?m reasonably handy at project design, proposal > writing, project management and usability design, so if there was a source > of funding I?d be happy to chase after it. Michele, is this something MIEC > could help us find?* > > > > Also, how does one release an app on the App Store, so people needn't > (necessarily) jailbreak? > > * * > > *[Mo:] This sounds like a question for Gabe. How was working with the App > Store people when you released the current Wireless Toronto app?* > > > > Is this the sort of thing that could be cobbled together from existing open > source technology, or would it be a major programming challenge? If it?s the > former, iot might be worth creating versions for WinMo and Android, and > unleash a legion of ad-hoc hotspots. > > I like the sound of that. I can't use real VoIP on the iPhone? Fine. I'll > use the iPhone's 3G as a backhaul for a mobile hotspot, and use the real > VoIP on the netbook in my backpack instead. Eat it, Rogers. > > * * > > *[Mo:] Actually, if you have a jailbroken phone there?s a handy app called > iPhone Unrestricor that tricks apps into thinking they?re still on Wifi. It > works with skype.* > > * * > > Also, are there legal implications we should be worried about? > > Probably not. But once people realize the implications of someone giving > away an app like this, expect the fearmongering to start. > > > > I think this is when we may find out that the capped data plans, even the > big ones, are the real problem after all. > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wireless Toronto doesn't have any resources/responsibility directed at "advocacy", and I think we have some important internal work to do before we embark on any significant advocacy work, but I hope we'll be ready to well in advance of Toronto's municipal election next year... Gabe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurent Maisonnave Date: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:18 AM Subject: [isf-vol] Press Release: Ile Sans Fil?s Platform Works Its Way into Montreal Municipal Election To: Volontaires Ile sans Fil Ile Sans Fil?s Platform Works Its Way into Montreal Municipal Election All three candidates have highlighted importance of free wireless Internet access in Montreal Read More... http://bit.ly/1dKYqZ Laurent _______________________________________________ Volontaires mailing list Volontaires at listes.ilesansfil.org http://listes.ilesansfil.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volontaires -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091027/6facfc0f/attachment-0001.htm From jon.alexander at utoronto.ca Tue Oct 27 16:10:25 2009 From: jon.alexander at utoronto.ca (Jon Alexander) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:10:25 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Seeking advice - hotspot in a public park Message-ID: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> Hi folks -- I'm thinking about starting a little initiative to see if it's feasible to put up a hotspot in Bellevue Square Park in Kensington Market. I haven't previously installed a wireless hotspot in a park, but some of you probably have, perhaps in Dufferin Grove or elsewhere. I don't want to impose on your time, but if those of you who know, would kindly shoot me back one or two pieces of advice on how to get started, I'd be grateful. Thanks! Jon -- Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 From gabe at pwd.ca Thu Oct 29 12:27:58 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:27:58 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto Message-ID: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> [Of course, we don't yet know the details. But does this not remind us of the classic tragedy of privatization? The city just sold this fiber network -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now they're going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million dollar agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to City agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public Library, Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and Toronto proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for security, performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco Data Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a solution that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our network." Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see Cogeco Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto area. The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City of Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving an outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow the City to proceed with their unified communications plans without worries of throughput delays. The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period with the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of construction completed by 2011. About Cogeco Data Services With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet MetroLAN, Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and Business Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the fast, reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large amounts of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that scale to meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing and Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091029/e4fe47a9/attachment-0001.htm From netspec at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:09:21 2009 From: netspec at gmail.com (A C) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:09:21 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the potential to stop this sale. 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses and enterprises only. And this is purposely omitting the onezone network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please remember it is the opinion of one person only. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > [Of course, we don't yet know the details.? But does this not remind us of > the classic tragedy of privatization?? The city just sold this fiber network > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now they're > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] > > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html > > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto > > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million dollar > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. > > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to City > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public Library, > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and Toronto > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. > > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for security, > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco Data > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a solution > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our network." > > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see Cogeco > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto area. > > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City of > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving an > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow the > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without worries of > throughput delays. > > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period with > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of construction > completed by 2011. > > About Cogeco Data Services > > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet MetroLAN, > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and Business > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the fast, > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large amounts > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that scale to > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, a > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. > > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing and > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -- /////////////////////////////////////////////// www.netspec.ca msn: netspec at gmail.com Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec /////////////////////////////////////////////// From jon.alexander at utoronto.ca Thu Oct 29 16:35:12 2009 From: jon.alexander at utoronto.ca (Jon Alexander) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:35:12 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?TDSB_director=27s_=91t?= =?windows-1252?q?ransformative=27_vision_-_includes_WiFi_in_all_schools_b?= =?windows-1252?q?y_2015?= Message-ID: <4AE9FC80.3090908@utoronto.ca> TDSB gives cautious approval to director's ?transformative' vision Anna Mehler Paperny From Thursday's Globe and Mail Published on Wednesday, Oct. 28, 2009 11:58PM EDT Last updated on Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009 3:04AM EDT The Toronto District School Board gave director Chris Spence a mandate to pursue his ambitious, sweeping ?vision? for the board's future at a meeting last night ? but not without strings attached. The board voted to receive Dr. Spence's report, which includes such bold propositions as opening an all-boys school to tackle underachievement among male students; *a promise to have all schools WiFi-equipped* and all students learning online *by 2015*; and a vow to dramatically improve school performance ... -- Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091029/e7a78d0d/attachment-0001.htm From gabe at pwd.ca Thu Oct 29 16:48:44 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:48:44 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, A C. This is disappointing but not surprising. The press release didn't include a quote from anyone at the City -- presumably they'd prefer to keep a lid on this deal. I wonder if some shit-disturber will bring it up at next week's Toronto Innovation Showcase: http://www.toronto.ca/toshowcase/ I've been infected with the vision of a convergence of the open web, open data, open spectrum and net neutrality movements. They're all different sides of the same coin (in my opinion), and if that had been more clear to everyone before the sale went through, it may have been easier to build support to stop it. Gabe On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, A C wrote: > wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having > worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, > everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. > There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold > by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the > potential to stop this sale. > > 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a > hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses > and enterprises only. And this is purposely omitting the onezone > network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to > market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. > > 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale > > The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the > amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. > > this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please > remember it is the opinion of one person only. > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > > [Of course, we don't yet know the details. But does this not remind us > of > > the classic tragedy of privatization? The city just sold this fiber > network > > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now they're > > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] > > > > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html > > > > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto > > > > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data > > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million dollar > > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area > > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically > > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. > > > > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to City > > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public Library, > > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and > Toronto > > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. > > > > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for > security, > > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco Data > > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a > solution > > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our > network." > > > > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic > > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see > Cogeco > > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto area. > > > > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City of > > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving an > > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow the > > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without worries > of > > throughput delays. > > > > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period with > > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of > construction > > completed by 2011. > > > > About Cogeco Data Services > > > > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet MetroLAN, > > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and > Business > > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the fast, > > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large > amounts > > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is > > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that scale > to > > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public > > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, a > > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. > > > > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing and > > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, > > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > www.netspec.ca > msn: netspec at gmail.com > Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091029/4d458f0f/attachment-0001.htm From netspec at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:56:12 2009 From: netspec at gmail.com (A C) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:56:12 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> the problem is that toronto hydro telecom catered to businesses and enterprise markets. there were a few case studies done on why the sale would not be beneficial to the city, but of course these case studies are always paid for. The sale has been brushed under a rug and most of the inside sources who had a direct influence in the sale have moved on. If the topic is brought up at the showcase, I am sure someone will find a way to blame mayor miller for the sale (he seems to be the scapegoat for everything nowadays). I completely agree with the net neutrality front, but from a business/political perspective, it wasn't viable given all of the "ahem" corrupt politicians we have in this great city. And when money talks, people want to cash in before their time is up...and thats all I have to say about that (wink, wink). On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > Thanks, A C.? This is disappointing but not surprising.? The press release > didn't include a quote from anyone at the City -- presumably they'd prefer > to keep a lid on this deal.? I wonder if some shit-disturber will bring it > up at next week's Toronto Innovation Showcase: > http://www.toronto.ca/toshowcase/ > > I've been infected with the vision of a convergence of the open web, open > data, open spectrum and net neutrality movements.? They're all different > sides of the same coin (in my opinion), and if that had been more clear to > everyone before the sale went through, it may have been easier to build > support to stop it. > > Gabe > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, A C wrote: >> >> wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having >> worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, >> everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. >> ?There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold >> by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the >> potential to stop this sale. >> >> 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a >> hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses >> and enterprises only. ?And this is purposely omitting the onezone >> network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to >> market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. >> >> 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale >> >> The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the >> amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. >> >> this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please >> remember it is the opinion of one person only. >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: >> > [Of course, we don't yet know the details.? But does this not remind us >> > of >> > the classic tragedy of privatization?? The city just sold this fiber >> > network >> > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now >> > they're >> > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] >> > >> > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html >> > >> > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto >> > >> > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data >> > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million dollar >> > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area >> > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically >> > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. >> > >> > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to City >> > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public Library, >> > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and >> > Toronto >> > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. >> > >> > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for >> > security, >> > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco Data >> > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a >> > solution >> > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our >> > network." >> > >> > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic >> > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see >> > Cogeco >> > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto >> > area. >> > >> > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City of >> > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving an >> > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow >> > the >> > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without worries >> > of >> > throughput delays. >> > >> > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period >> > with >> > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of >> > construction >> > completed by 2011. >> > >> > About Cogeco Data Services >> > >> > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet MetroLAN, >> > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and >> > Business >> > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the fast, >> > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large >> > amounts >> > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is >> > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that >> > scale to >> > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public >> > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, a >> > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. >> > >> > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing and >> > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, >> > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> > >> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// >> www.netspec.ca >> msn: netspec at gmail.com >> Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -- /////////////////////////////////////////////// www.netspec.ca msn: netspec at gmail.com Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec /////////////////////////////////////////////// From gabe at pwd.ca Thu Oct 29 17:24:07 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:24:07 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Seeking advice - hotspot in a public park In-Reply-To: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> References: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <95b1c3780910291424l4d74f891o89383e124168cd4d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jon -- Bellevue Square is a nice little park, and it's surrounded on all sides with houses and shops. As far as I know, there's no way to get access to a reliable & secure power source inside the park. So then it'd be a matter of beaming wifi in from one of the neighbours. I'm going from memory here, but I think the north and west sides have denser tree coverage. This might mean that it'd be harder to get a strong signal into the park from those sides. I think the steps would be: 1) Decide which part(s) of the park need best coverage. 2) Find people whose home/shop faces the park, and who would be willing to allow a wifi router to be attached to the exterior of their building. 3) Figure out if the line of sight from those locations would give you the coverage you're looking for. 4) Figure out if the router host is also willing to share their bandwidth, or if you need a separate backhaul solution. (mesh from someplace else? run separate dsl?) Does that help? Gabe On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jon Alexander wrote: > Hi folks -- I'm thinking about starting a little initiative to see if > it's feasible to put up a hotspot in Bellevue Square Park in Kensington > Market. > > I haven't previously installed a wireless hotspot in a park, but some of > you probably have, perhaps in Dufferin Grove or elsewhere. > > I don't want to impose on your time, but if those of you who know, would > kindly shoot me back one or two pieces of advice on how to get started, > I'd be grateful. > > Thanks! > > Jon > > -- > Jon Alexander > w.416.348.9710.x3039 > c.416.805.4332 > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091029/dc4acd43/attachment-0001.htm From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca Fri Oct 30 11:30:21 2009 From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:30:21 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: not surprising. same old story. I think it sounds worse than it really is. To me, it sounds like the city is just redoing the deal with CDS that they already had with TorHydro. Who else would they use? especially when I suspect most of their services are probably strewn all over that network in complete disarray. Switching data service providers is bad enough without government and IT bureaucracy. It is definitely a shame that our City gave up the fibre golden goose. I hope the same doesn't happen to our public airwaves, the last remaining hope for public infrastructure. Jason - 2009/10/29 A C > the problem is that toronto hydro telecom catered to businesses and > enterprise markets. there were a few case studies done on why the > sale would not be beneficial to the city, but of course these case > studies are always paid for. The sale has been brushed under a rug > and most of the inside sources who had a direct influence in the sale > have moved on. If the topic is brought up at the showcase, I am sure > someone will find a way to blame mayor miller for the sale (he seems > to be the scapegoat for everything nowadays). I completely agree with > the net neutrality front, but from a business/political perspective, > it wasn't viable given all of the "ahem" corrupt politicians we have > in this great city. And when money talks, people want to cash in > before their time is up...and thats all I have to say about that > (wink, wink). > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > > Thanks, A C. This is disappointing but not surprising. The press > release > > didn't include a quote from anyone at the City -- presumably they'd > prefer > > to keep a lid on this deal. I wonder if some shit-disturber will bring > it > > up at next week's Toronto Innovation Showcase: > > http://www.toronto.ca/toshowcase/ > > > > I've been infected with the vision of a convergence of the open web, open > > data, open spectrum and net neutrality movements. They're all different > > sides of the same coin (in my opinion), and if that had been more clear > to > > everyone before the sale went through, it may have been easier to build > > support to stop it. > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, A C wrote: > >> > >> wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having > >> worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, > >> everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. > >> There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold > >> by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the > >> potential to stop this sale. > >> > >> 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a > >> hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses > >> and enterprises only. And this is purposely omitting the onezone > >> network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to > >> market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. > >> > >> 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale > >> > >> The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the > >> amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. > >> > >> this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please > >> remember it is the opinion of one person only. > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > >> > [Of course, we don't yet know the details. But does this not remind > us > >> > of > >> > the classic tragedy of privatization? The city just sold this fiber > >> > network > >> > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now > >> > they're > >> > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] > >> > > >> > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html > >> > > >> > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto > >> > > >> > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data > >> > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million > dollar > >> > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area > >> > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically > >> > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. > >> > > >> > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to > City > >> > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public > Library, > >> > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and > >> > Toronto > >> > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. > >> > > >> > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for > >> > security, > >> > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco > Data > >> > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a > >> > solution > >> > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our > >> > network." > >> > > >> > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic > >> > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see > >> > Cogeco > >> > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto > >> > area. > >> > > >> > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City > of > >> > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving > an > >> > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow > >> > the > >> > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without > worries > >> > of > >> > throughput delays. > >> > > >> > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period > >> > with > >> > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of > >> > construction > >> > completed by 2011. > >> > > >> > About Cogeco Data Services > >> > > >> > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet > MetroLAN, > >> > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and > >> > Business > >> > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the > fast, > >> > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large > >> > amounts > >> > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is > >> > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that > >> > scale to > >> > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public > >> > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, > a > >> > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. > >> > > >> > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing > and > >> > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, > >> > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > >> > > >> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> www.netspec.ca > >> msn: netspec at gmail.com > >> Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec > >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> _______________________________________________ > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > >> > >> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > www.netspec.ca > msn: netspec at gmail.com > Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 Gabe Sawhney wrote: > Hi Jon -- > Bellevue Square is a nice little park, and it's surrounded on all > sides with houses and shops. > > As far as I know, there's no way to get access to a reliable & secure > power source inside the park. So then it'd be a matter of beaming > wifi in from one of the neighbours. > > I'm going from memory here, but I think the north and west sides have > denser tree coverage. This might mean that it'd be harder to get a > strong signal into the park from those sides. > > I think the steps would be: > 1) Decide which part(s) of the park need best coverage. > 2) Find people whose home/shop faces the park, and who would be > willing to allow a wifi router to be attached to the exterior of their > building. > 3) Figure out if the line of sight from those locations would give you > the coverage you're looking for. > 4) Figure out if the router host is also willing to share their > bandwidth, or if you need a separate backhaul solution. (mesh from > someplace else? run separate dsl?) > > Does that help? > > Gabe > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jon Alexander > > wrote: > > Hi folks -- I'm thinking about starting a little initiative to see if > it's feasible to put up a hotspot in Bellevue Square Park in > Kensington > Market. > > I haven't previously installed a wireless hotspot in a park, but > some of > you probably have, perhaps in Dufferin Grove or elsewhere. > > I don't want to impose on your time, but if those of you who know, > would > kindly shoot me back one or two pieces of advice on how to get > started, > I'd be grateful. > > Thanks! > > Jon > > -- > Jon Alexander > w.416.348.9710.x3039 > c.416.805.4332 > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091030/552898bd/attachment-0001.htm From readability at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 12:00:26 2009 From: readability at gmail.com (Chad M) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:00:26 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Seeking advice - hotspot in a public park In-Reply-To: <4AEB0BEC.9030700@utoronto.ca> References: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> <95b1c3780910291424l4d74f891o89383e124168cd4d@mail.gmail.com> <4AEB0BEC.9030700@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <2dd1bbc50910300900pbb554ej5d7cabacf20a5bb0@mail.gmail.com> Jon, Chad from Hacklab.TO here, we're a technology collective located in Kensington Market. There might be interest within our group to help make this happen / to help with maintenance of the site once its up and running. I think its a good endeavour. On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jon Alexander wrote: > Thanks Gabe -- that certainly helps frame a starting approach. > > It may prove too much work for me right now, with other things looming, but > I intend to at least seek out and talk the idea up with some Kensington > stakeholders e.g. Streets are for People, KMAC, KMWG, the BIA(s), etc. > > J. > > Jon Alexander > w.416.348.9710.x3039 > c.416.805.4332 > > > > Gabe Sawhney wrote: > > Hi Jon -- > Bellevue Square is a nice little park, and it's surrounded on all sides > with houses and shops. > > As far as I know, there's no way to get access to a reliable & secure power > source inside the park. So then it'd be a matter of beaming wifi in from > one of the neighbours. > > I'm going from memory here, but I think the north and west sides have > denser tree coverage. This might mean that it'd be harder to get a strong > signal into the park from those sides. > > I think the steps would be: > 1) Decide which part(s) of the park need best coverage. > 2) Find people whose home/shop faces the park, and who would be willing to > allow a wifi router to be attached to the exterior of their building. > 3) Figure out if the line of sight from those locations would give you the > coverage you're looking for. > 4) Figure out if the router host is also willing to share their bandwidth, > or if you need a separate backhaul solution. (mesh from someplace else? > run separate dsl?) > > Does that help? > > Gabe > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jon Alexander wrote: > >> Hi folks -- I'm thinking about starting a little initiative to see if >> it's feasible to put up a hotspot in Bellevue Square Park in Kensington >> Market. >> >> I haven't previously installed a wireless hotspot in a park, but some of >> you probably have, perhaps in Dufferin Grove or elsewhere. >> >> I don't want to impose on your time, but if those of you who know, would >> kindly shoot me back one or two pieces of advice on how to get started, >> I'd be grateful. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jon >> >> -- >> Jon Alexander >> w.416.348.9710.x3039 >> c.416.805.4332 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing listwirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.cahttp://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091030/e5e850c2/attachment-0001.htm From gabe at pwd.ca Fri Oct 30 12:03:36 2009 From: gabe at pwd.ca (Gabe Sawhney) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:03:36 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95b1c3780910300903q3b295f87nf38b3d841011825b@mail.gmail.com> There's some more info in this article: http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/city-of-toronto-inks-wide-area-network-contract/139167 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM, A C wrote: > the problem is that toronto hydro telecom catered to businesses and > enterprise markets. there were a few case studies done on why the > sale would not be beneficial to the city, but of course these case > studies are always paid for. The sale has been brushed under a rug > and most of the inside sources who had a direct influence in the sale > have moved on. If the topic is brought up at the showcase, I am sure > someone will find a way to blame mayor miller for the sale (he seems > to be the scapegoat for everything nowadays). I completely agree with > the net neutrality front, but from a business/political perspective, > it wasn't viable given all of the "ahem" corrupt politicians we have > in this great city. And when money talks, people want to cash in > before their time is up...and thats all I have to say about that > (wink, wink). > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > > Thanks, A C. This is disappointing but not surprising. The press > release > > didn't include a quote from anyone at the City -- presumably they'd > prefer > > to keep a lid on this deal. I wonder if some shit-disturber will bring > it > > up at next week's Toronto Innovation Showcase: > > http://www.toronto.ca/toshowcase/ > > > > I've been infected with the vision of a convergence of the open web, open > > data, open spectrum and net neutrality movements. They're all different > > sides of the same coin (in my opinion), and if that had been more clear > to > > everyone before the sale went through, it may have been easier to build > > support to stop it. > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, A C wrote: > >> > >> wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having > >> worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, > >> everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. > >> There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold > >> by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the > >> potential to stop this sale. > >> > >> 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a > >> hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses > >> and enterprises only. And this is purposely omitting the onezone > >> network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to > >> market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. > >> > >> 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale > >> > >> The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the > >> amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. > >> > >> this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please > >> remember it is the opinion of one person only. > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > >> > [Of course, we don't yet know the details. But does this not remind > us > >> > of > >> > the classic tragedy of privatization? The city just sold this fiber > >> > network > >> > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now > >> > they're > >> > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] > >> > > >> > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html > >> > > >> > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto > >> > > >> > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data > >> > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million > dollar > >> > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area > >> > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically > >> > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. > >> > > >> > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to > City > >> > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public > Library, > >> > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and > >> > Toronto > >> > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. > >> > > >> > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for > >> > security, > >> > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco > Data > >> > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a > >> > solution > >> > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our > >> > network." > >> > > >> > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic > >> > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see > >> > Cogeco > >> > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto > >> > area. > >> > > >> > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City > of > >> > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving > an > >> > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow > >> > the > >> > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without > worries > >> > of > >> > throughput delays. > >> > > >> > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period > >> > with > >> > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of > >> > construction > >> > completed by 2011. > >> > > >> > About Cogeco Data Services > >> > > >> > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet > MetroLAN, > >> > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and > >> > Business > >> > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the > fast, > >> > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large > >> > amounts > >> > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is > >> > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that > >> > scale to > >> > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and public > >> > sector organizations. For more information about Cogeco Data Services, > a > >> > wholly-owned subsidiary of Cogeco Cable Inc., see www.cogecodata.com. > >> > > >> > For further information: Virginia Brailey, Vice President, Marketing > and > >> > Communications, Cogeco Data Services, (416) 840-8742, > >> > virginia.brailey at cogecodata.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > >> > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > >> > > >> > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> www.netspec.ca > >> msn: netspec at gmail.com > >> Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec > >> /////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> _______________________________________________ > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > >> > >> > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > www.netspec.ca > msn: netspec at gmail.com > Twitter: netspec | Digg: netspec > /////////////////////////////////////////////// > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091030/999c2750/attachment-0001.htm From jon.alexander at utoronto.ca Fri Oct 30 12:14:04 2009 From: jon.alexander at utoronto.ca (Jon Alexander) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:14:04 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Seeking advice - hotspot in a public park In-Reply-To: <2dd1bbc50910300900pbb554ej5d7cabacf20a5bb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> <95b1c3780910291424l4d74f891o89383e124168cd4d@mail.gmail.com> <4AEB0BEC.9030700@utoronto.ca> <2dd1bbc50910300900pbb554ej5d7cabacf20a5bb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AEB10CC.3070402@utoronto.ca> Hi Chad -- thanks, I will get in touch. I've been one of your open Tuesday meetings at Leigh Honeywell's invite -- it would be great to work with you on this! Jon Jon Alexander w.416.348.9710.x3039 c.416.805.4332 Chad M wrote: > Jon, > > Chad from Hacklab.TO here, we're a technology collective located in > Kensington Market. There might be interest within our group to help > make this happen / to help with maintenance of the site once its up > and running. I think its a good endeavour. > > From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca Fri Oct 30 12:58:36 2009 From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:58:36 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto In-Reply-To: <95b1c3780910300903q3b295f87nf38b3d841011825b@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b1c3780910290927k2b8a249br3f8adac08d540204@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291309g43eb8813le5ec07789af16651@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910291348h2b541fbbg5f4975a1f94efe31@mail.gmail.com> <85a88ac90910291356p22a4bc17l858a418e6f0c7402@mail.gmail.com> <95b1c3780910300903q3b295f87nf38b3d841011825b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: looks status quo to me. that's includes the high cost =) =jr 2009/10/30 Gabe Sawhney > There's some more info in this article: > > http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/city-of-toronto-inks-wide-area-network-contract/139167 > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM, A C wrote: > >> the problem is that toronto hydro telecom catered to businesses and >> enterprise markets. there were a few case studies done on why the >> sale would not be beneficial to the city, but of course these case >> studies are always paid for. The sale has been brushed under a rug >> and most of the inside sources who had a direct influence in the sale >> have moved on. If the topic is brought up at the showcase, I am sure >> someone will find a way to blame mayor miller for the sale (he seems >> to be the scapegoat for everything nowadays). I completely agree with >> the net neutrality front, but from a business/political perspective, >> it wasn't viable given all of the "ahem" corrupt politicians we have >> in this great city. And when money talks, people want to cash in >> before their time is up...and thats all I have to say about that >> (wink, wink). >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: >> > Thanks, A C. This is disappointing but not surprising. The press >> release >> > didn't include a quote from anyone at the City -- presumably they'd >> prefer >> > to keep a lid on this deal. I wonder if some shit-disturber will bring >> it >> > up at next week's Toronto Innovation Showcase: >> > http://www.toronto.ca/toshowcase/ >> > >> > I've been infected with the vision of a convergence of the open web, >> open >> > data, open spectrum and net neutrality movements. They're all different >> > sides of the same coin (in my opinion), and if that had been more clear >> to >> > everyone before the sale went through, it may have been easier to build >> > support to stop it. >> > >> > Gabe >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, A C wrote: >> >> >> >> wow - I was just waiting for the first response to this...having >> >> worked for Toronto Hydro Telecom and going through sale to Cogeco, >> >> everyone knew what was happening and what the outcome was going to be. >> >> There is still no logical explanation as to why the company was sold >> >> by the blue ribbon panel, to me, there were 2 groups who had the >> >> potential to stop this sale. >> >> >> >> 1. the citizens of toronto, and most questioned the validity of a >> >> hydro company being in the telecom business and catering to businesses >> >> and enterprises only. And this is purposely omitting the onezone >> >> network which in the opinion of many was just part of the plan to >> >> market toronto hydro telecom for future sale. >> >> >> >> 2. the union - who questionably did little effort to stop the sale >> >> >> >> The fibre footprint alone in the downtown core is worth 10 times the >> >> amount of what was paid for the purchase of the company. >> >> >> >> this response will likely get quite a bit of backlash - please >> >> remember it is the opinion of one person only. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: >> >> > [Of course, we don't yet know the details. But does this not remind >> us >> >> > of >> >> > the classic tragedy of privatization? The city just sold this fiber >> >> > network >> >> > -- the one that the Onezone network runs on -- to Cogego, and now >> >> > they're >> >> > going to spend how much on buying services back? -Gabe] >> >> > >> >> > http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/28/c2908.html >> >> > >> >> > Cogeco Data Services inks deal with City of Toronto >> >> > >> >> > TORONTO, Oct. 28 /CNW/ - Cogeco Data Services, a full service data >> >> > communications provider, today announced a 10-year, multi-million >> dollar >> >> > agreement with the City of Toronto that will see the City's wide area >> >> > network (WAN) services upgraded to one of the most technologically >> >> > sophisticated, all-optical networks in Canada. >> >> > >> >> > Cogeco Data Services will provide a wide area network connection to >> City >> >> > agencies, boards, and commissions including the Toronto Public >> Library, >> >> > Toronto Police Services, Toronto Transit Commission, Toronto Zoo and >> >> > Toronto >> >> > proper facilities, serving a majority of the City's 50,000 employees. >> >> > >> >> > "We know that the City of Toronto has extremely high demands for >> >> > security, >> >> > performance and bandwidth," said Tony Ciciretto, President, Cogeco >> Data >> >> > Services. "We are pleased to be working with the City to develop a >> >> > solution >> >> > that meets their needs and maximizes the full capabilities of our >> >> > network." >> >> > >> >> > Combined with the Toronto District School Board and Toronto Catholic >> >> > District School Board agreements, the City of Toronto deal will see >> >> > Cogeco >> >> > Data Services significantly expand its network in the Metro Toronto >> >> > area. >> >> > >> >> > The initiative will provide for 1 Gbps Ethernet services to all City >> of >> >> > Toronto sites and 20 Gbps+ to the City data centres, while achieving >> an >> >> > outstanding 1 to 1 throughput ratio. The improved services will allow >> >> > the >> >> > City to proceed with their unified communications plans without >> worries >> >> > of >> >> > throughput delays. >> >> > >> >> > The City of Toronto sites will be installed over a three year period >> >> > with >> >> > the first sites becoming active this year, and 95 per cent of >> >> > construction >> >> > completed by 2011. >> >> > >> >> > About Cogeco Data Services >> >> > >> >> > With its suite of connectivity and managed services (Ethernet >> MetroLAN, >> >> > Managed Wavelengths, Dedicated Internet, Co-location, Storage and >> >> > Business >> >> > Continuity), Cogeco Data Services supplies its customers with the >> fast, >> >> > reliable and secure ability to access, manage, move and store large >> >> > amounts >> >> > of data worldwide. The company's wholly-owned, redundant network is >> >> > all-optical, and offers near limitless bandwidth with services that >> >> > scale to >> >> > meet the needs of some of Canada's largest public companies and >> public >> >> > sector organizations. 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URL: http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/pipermail/wirelesstoronto-discuss/attachments/20091030/4fa32f0d/attachment-0001.htm From jason at wirelesstoronto.ca Fri Oct 30 13:07:35 2009 From: jason at wirelesstoronto.ca (jason roks) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:07:35 -0400 Subject: [wirelesstoronto-discuss] Seeking advice - hotspot in a public park In-Reply-To: <2dd1bbc50910300900pbb554ej5d7cabacf20a5bb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE753B1.3020305@utoronto.ca> <95b1c3780910291424l4d74f891o89383e124168cd4d@mail.gmail.com> <4AEB0BEC.9030700@utoronto.ca> <2dd1bbc50910300900pbb554ej5d7cabacf20a5bb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: thanks chad. sounds great. That's exactly the neighbourhood partnerships and initiatives WT needs to build more public networks access points. With hacklab on board it sounds like the project is quite feasible. Good luck! WRT Kensington BIA: there really isn't one. afaik, the business community is fragmented with opposing views. You could try both fronts. You might want to talk to Brock? from Rice Bar to get some insight on the landscape of the Market's Business co-operative efforts. I suspect you will get better results from independent biz owners. There are many that already have wifi and may be willing to partner such as Sublime Cafe. Jason - 2009/10/30 Chad M > Jon, > > Chad from Hacklab.TO here, we're a technology collective located in > Kensington Market. There might be interest within our group to help make > this happen / to help with maintenance of the site once its up and running. > I think its a good endeavour. > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jon Alexander > wrote: > >> Thanks Gabe -- that certainly helps frame a starting approach. >> >> It may prove too much work for me right now, with other things looming, >> but I intend to at least seek out and talk the idea up with some Kensington >> stakeholders e.g. Streets are for People, KMAC, KMWG, the BIA(s), etc. >> >> J. >> >> Jon Alexander >> w.416.348.9710.x3039 >> c.416.805.4332 >> >> >> >> Gabe Sawhney wrote: >> >> Hi Jon -- >> Bellevue Square is a nice little park, and it's surrounded on all sides >> with houses and shops. >> >> As far as I know, there's no way to get access to a reliable & secure >> power source inside the park. So then it'd be a matter of beaming wifi in >> from one of the neighbours. >> >> I'm going from memory here, but I think the north and west sides have >> denser tree coverage. This might mean that it'd be harder to get a strong >> signal into the park from those sides. >> >> I think the steps would be: >> 1) Decide which part(s) of the park need best coverage. >> 2) Find people whose home/shop faces the park, and who would be willing to >> allow a wifi router to be attached to the exterior of their building. >> 3) Figure out if the line of sight from those locations would give you the >> coverage you're looking for. >> 4) Figure out if the router host is also willing to share their bandwidth, >> or if you need a separate backhaul solution. (mesh from someplace else? >> run separate dsl?) >> >> Does that help? >> >> Gabe >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jon Alexander > > wrote: >> >>> Hi folks -- I'm thinking about starting a little initiative to see if >>> it's feasible to put up a hotspot in Bellevue Square Park in Kensington >>> Market. >>> >>> I haven't previously installed a wireless hotspot in a park, but some of >>> you probably have, perhaps in Dufferin Grove or elsewhere. >>> >>> I don't want to impose on your time, but if those of you who know, would >>> kindly shoot me back one or two pieces of advice on how to get started, >>> I'd be grateful. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> -- >>> Jon Alexander >>> w.416.348.9710.x3039 >>> c.416.805.4332 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >>> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >>> >>> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing listwirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.cahttp://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list >> wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca >> >> http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > wirelesstoronto-discuss mailing list > wirelesstoronto-discuss at wirelesstoronto.ca > > http://lists.wirelesstoronto.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wirelesstoronto-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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