[wirelesstoronto-discuss] stuff at Ile Sans Fil

[Gabe Sawhney]

Short answer: Sure, I'm up for a coffee.

Long answer:
There's no clear answer to question about if or how we could start using
OpenID:
- Right how we're managing most of our hotspots using wifidog, which doesn't
support OpenID.
- A new version of wifidog is in development.  It also won't have built-in
support for OpenID, but it'll feature an API which will allow us to use
WordPress (or, um, other CMSes) for our portal pages.
- So, our portal page CMS could use OpenID.
- At the same time, we're experimenting with mesh networks, using the
open-mesh platform.
- Wifidog has no clear roadmap with respect to mesh networks.
- I have a vision for a multi-layered
authentication/bandwidth-accounting/abuse-prevention system for our network
which no open-source platform I've found can currently support.
- We've gotta figure out what direction we want to go as a group and as a
network, and keep an eye out in the next few months to see which platforms
evolve in which ways.  It's a complex landscape of options.

Wireless Toronto's new board structure features a position responsible for
"R&D", which is presently not filled.  Interested?

Gabe


On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, James Walker <walkah at walkah.net> wrote:

> OK, I now feel sufficiently goaded into un-lurking on this list ;-)
>
> openid support? transparent login? revamp'ing portal pages?
>
> I'm in!
>
> I have no idea what the internals of WT auth looks like right now -
> gabe? maybe we should grab a coffee?
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Michele Perras
> <michele.perras at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Inspired by Chris Messina's talk this evening- how difficult or relevant
> > would it be to integrate OpenID as the WT auth?
> >
> > On 2009-10-20, at 1:50 PM, jason roks <jason at wirelesstoronto.ca> wrote:
> >
> > I like the idea of a premium service for venues to cover costs for those
> who
> > want to take advantage of the portal pages. I am not suggesting
> > any pricing scheme but I think the idea has merit to help stimulate
> portal
> > development.
> > also for us, just catching up on past venue billing would be a good first
> > step =)
> > Is there any discussion about auto login? maybe the iphone app can offer
> > that?
> > It would be good to piggy back on their iphone development.
> > Ile Sans Fil really started all this for us and I think we need to keep a
> > closer eye on how they operate because they have had much more success
> that
> > we have in TO. I recognize the perception of free wifi is very different
> > here -- it is expected here as it is in Vancity.
> > Over all it is a fact that Toronto has very little free/open wifi
> compared
> > to other cities in Canada and the world.  I am sure WT can continue to
> > change that.
> > I'm pleased to see the discussion list is active again. I'm looking
> forward
> > to hearing and seeing what the WT community has to say and will do about
> all
> > this.
> > Jason
> > -
> >
> > 2009/10/20 Gabe Sawhney <gabe at pwd.ca>
> >>
> >> I lurk on the volunteers mailing list of Ile Sans Fil (our sister group
> in
> >> Montreal).  Here's a summary of some of the stuff they discussed at
> their
> >> last meeting:
> >>
> >> - They ran event wifi for PodCamp Montreal, which had 500 attendees.
> >> - They might be running event wifi for the Montreal Game Summit, which
> has
> >> around 2000 attendees.  They're working on some special equipment for
> this.
> >> - They're floating the idea of a second-tier network membership for
> >> venues; it'd be $120 or $240/year.  The venue would be identified on the
> map
> >> in a different colour, it'd come with a higher level of personal service
> at
> >> the time of installation, would allow them to edit some content on the
> >> portal page, and would offer bandwidth limiting.  Plus they'd be
> providing
> >> additional support to ISF.
> >> - They recently implemented a new bandwidth usage policy for users.
> >> - They've got an iPhone application coming out, which sounds a bit like
> >> the "Wireless Toronto" app.  (Which we have nothing to do with.)
> They're
> >> going to be offering a free and a $2 version.
> >> - They're trying to figure out how to resolve the problem of that
> wifidog
> >> allows non-case-sensitive usernames.
> >> - They're rethinking their current 20-minute grace period upon account
> >> creation, recognizing that many accounts are never validated.  Options
> >> they're considering are: offering a 24-hour grace period, better
> >> instructions/interface, redirecting new users to the webmail login of
> their
> >> email service provider (when possible), and taking whatever steps
> possible
> >> to ensure that validation emails don't end up in spam folders.
> >> - The next major version of wifidog is in development; they're sprinting
> >> with monthly releases.  The major new features are an API to facilitate
> >> Wordpress-based portal pages, and remote router configuration.
> >> - They're working on a system that'll allow venues to pay their annual
> >> network membership fees by credit card.
> >>
> >>
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